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The big question here is whether any of that goes back to AMD or does it all just go to the trade commission? AMD needs any help they can get right now and it would be nice to see them getting some of that lost revenue back. Otherwise if the Korean Trade Commission gets the money, then it's pretty much pointless.

People need to stop saying how AMD is being a sore loser since they can't release any good performing products that can compete with Intel thus they are suing. If AMD had gotten the full revenue that they would have generated if Intel hadn't employed unfair business practices, AMD could have been able to better fund their R&D guys to have better products.
    
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I disagree. Intel has been doing this for a while now, and it started back when AMD was spanking Intel is sales and performance. At that point in time nobody cared because the underdog was ahead. At that point in time AMD had the R&D funds to put the P4 and PD to shame, and they did just that. Intel then released the C2D and AMD just got beat the hell up. They got lazy they reduced there R&D and the C2D walked all over AMD's best.

AMD thought that ATI would be a good purchase and frankly it just may have been there savior I really don't know. I do know that the debt they endured by that purchased pulled more from their R&D. The Phenom was all but a Phenom, more like a phlunk lol. I hope that AMD stops whining pulls their balls out of their butts, puts a game plan together, and show Intel how the game is played once again. Intel is a giant and is very hard to compete against.

The fact of the matter is that many and maybe all large companies follow these same practices. From time to time another companies whines and snitches out another. IMO that is just as bad as the unfair practice that put them all in that situation. I'm sure Intel will have to pay, AMD will smile, then Intel will hand them a new CPU to turn that smile the other way. Intel is a far wealthier company than AMD and can afford to splurge on R&D, and lose some profit for the sake of a secure future for the company. Put yourself in the shoes of Intel, and I mean really put yourself in their shoes. Any REAL business man would not hesitate to do the same thing. In fact they all do to each other from one year to the next. It is a VERY common business tactic, and even gets done by the US themselves in regards to other countries. I mean that they blackmail, and extort other countries to side or neglect another. In the end it is just a little brother telling on the big brother. BOOHOO.
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Arggghh... Has there ever been any solid proof? If so could someone please link me that documentation. Don't get me wrong I'm all for sending Intel up the proverbial creek if they're truly guilty, but everything I've ever heard has been hearsay at best.

^ He said/She said crap... That's why you don't see a case in the US right now. Our courts may not be perfect, case in point patent squatters who attempt to extort money, but at least we have something called burden of proof here...

Again show me evidence (any evidence) that supports these claims of exclusivity and I'll join the angry pitchfork wielding mob.
Agreed..... However, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck, I'm gonna call it a duck . Where do you think Intel got the money for R&D to develop the C2D chips. They have a long rep for pulling this kind of crap ,and they stall in US courts for years ( don't get me started about justice in US courts, . that's an oxymoron......). Intel got handed a small setback, but it won't hurt them very much. They've done great things with their R&D, and we all benefited from it. Still, that doesn't excuse this kind of behavior. Business is rough and tumble, but when your boy gets caught cheating, don't expect much sympathy from me when you wanna defend their actions...........
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Gotta love these OCN Kangaroo court proceedings.
    
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Agreed..... However, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck, I'm gonna call it a duck . Where do you think Intel got the money for R&D to develop the C2D chips. They have a long rep for pulling this kind of crap ,and they stall in US courts for years ( don't get me started about justice in US courts, . that's an oxymoron......). Intel got handed a small setback, but it won't hurt them very much. They've done great things with their R&D, and we all benefited from it. Still, that doesn't excuse this kind of behavior. Business is rough and tumble, but when your boy gets caught cheating, don't expect much sympathy from me when you wanna defend their actions...........
Well I'm too much of a cynic to believe that big ole bad Intel was the sole company engaging in "shady" business practices... The puritanical OEMs like Dell, HP, lenovo ect would never ever use Intel's lackluster nutburst performance as a form of leverage to acquire cheap chips by means of blackmail(ala OEMs threaten to go AMD if not given massive price breaks). I mean that would allow the OEMs to make lots of money, easy money! Which company(s) would engage in shady practices just to make more money?

Long story short, I want to see proof before I hang Intel... I'd also like my question answered, Were the OEMs complicit or worse yet did they initiate the "rebates for exclusivity"?
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The fine has to be proportional to the business market and a percent of the profit that Intel made. South Korea is a nice place, but it's not a huge market. So if you wanted to fine Intel $25M seems fair.
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