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I beg to differ, Left4dead looks way better than CSS and it looks much more crisp than Crysis.

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/18853

We aren't complaining about fps, because quite frankly Crysis looks pretty terrible on anything other than high settings even though playing on medium settings still gives most people very low fps. We are complaining about the fact that Crysis doesnt look nearly good enough to be running as poorly as it does. There are plenty of games out there that are unoptimized, Crysis is just the worst of them all.
Judging from a video that's about 10% of my screen's resolution? As far as I can tell it looks exactly the same as CS:S with HDR, or TF2 minus the cartoons.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen036.jpg

Seriously I played Crysis on medium settings on my friend's laptop with 8600M GT SLI and it was perfectly playable. We both agreed that nothing else could look better on max playable settings on that laptop.

If you actually take the time to look around you'd see why people think it's unoptimized. I doubt you can see why when you said L4D looks better. Every single thing in Crysis sports dynamic lighting, and that's something no one else has ever done in games. Game developers using Source actually make fake shadows, meaning they just darken the area as the environment isn't dynamic anyway. In Crysis, there are day and night cycles, and the shadows of every object will update instantly as soon as the light source moves. Also I've never seen better details in characters, objects, and textures in any other games. It's perfectly reasonable for it to require that much hardware power.

If you think Crysis is one of the most unoptimized game because you think Source looks better and because you can't max Crysis like you can max a Source game, I rest my case.
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Judging from a video that's about 10% of my screen's resolution? As far as I can tell it looks exactly the same as CS:S with HDR, or TF2 minus the cartoons.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen036.jpg

Seriously I played Crysis on medium settings on my friend's laptop with 8600M GT SLI and it was perfectly playable. We both agreed that nothing else could look better on max playable settings on that laptop.

If you actually take the time to look around you'd see why people think it's unoptimized. I doubt you can see why when you said L4D looks better. Every single thing in Crysis sports dynamic lighting, and that's something no one else has ever done in games. Game developers using Source actually make fake shadows, meaning they just darken the area as the environment isn't dynamic anyway. In Crysis, there are day and night cycles, and the shadows of every object will update instantly as soon as the light source moves. Also I've never seen better details in characters, objects, and textures in any other games. It's perfectly reasonable for it to require that much hardware power.

If you think Crysis is one of the most unoptimized game because you think Source looks better and because you can't max Crysis like you can max a Source game, I rest my case.
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Judging from a video that's about 10% of my screen's resolution? As far as I can tell it looks exactly the same as CS:S with HDR, or TF2 minus the cartoons.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen036.jpg

Seriously I played Crysis on medium settings on my friend's laptop with 8600M GT SLI and it was perfectly playable. We both agreed that nothing else could look better on max playable settings on that laptop.

If you actually take the time to look around you'd see why people think it's unoptimized. I doubt you can see why when you said L4D looks better. Every single thing in Crysis sports dynamic lighting, and that's something no one else has ever done in games. Game developers using Source actually make fake shadows, meaning they just darken the area as the environment isn't dynamic anyway. In Crysis, there are day and night cycles, and the shadows of every object will update instantly as soon as the light source moves. Also I've never seen better details in characters, objects, and textures in any other games. It's perfectly reasonable for it to require that much hardware power.

If you think Crysis is one of the most unoptimized game because you think Source looks better and because you can't max Crysis like you can max a Source game, I rest my case.
Source games maxed are more enjoyable to play than Crysis at mediocre settings. Regardless, Crysis looks fairly bad without an AA and the foliage is seriously whack. The only good part is the sunshafts. All in all, I think there are games that made far better use of the resources available to them. An example is TF2, I think it looks great at runs on the absolute worst computers imaginable. Now THAT is a smart business decision.
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I'm really excited for this game, but you're absolutely insane if you think that looks better than Crysis (even on Medium).
It's built on the source engine.......a great engine but it's still old.
C'mon man you're becoming delusional just to make a point....
No I am not. I prefer the raw/crisp look that the Source engine offers. Crysis maxed out even on very high has a soft almost fake look to it. Graphics are mostly opinionated and I feel as though I like the new source engine over the Crytek 2.0 engine.

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Judging from a video that's about 10% of my screen's resolution? As far as I can tell it looks exactly the same as CS:S with HDR, or TF2 minus the cartoons.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen036.jpg

Seriously I played Crysis on medium settings on my friend's laptop with 8600M GT SLI and it was perfectly playable. We both agreed that nothing else could look better on max playable settings on that laptop.

If you actually take the time to look around you'd see why people think it's unoptimized. I doubt you can see why when you said L4D looks better. Every single thing in Crysis sports dynamic lighting, and that's something no one else has ever done in games. Game developers using Source actually make fake shadows, meaning they just darken the area as the environment isn't dynamic anyway. In Crysis, there are day and night cycles, and the shadows of every object will update instantly as soon as the light source moves. Also I've never seen better details in characters, objects, and textures in any other games. It's perfectly reasonable for it to require that much hardware power.

If you think Crysis is one of the most unoptimized game because you think Source looks better and because you can't max Crysis like you can max a Source game, I rest my case.
That Crysis SS is prerendered..........
Like I said before, I maxed out Crysis before and I dont like how it looks. It has a fake look to it and I don't like how they mismatch low resolution with high resolution textures. I played it on medium and TBH I think that it looks like complete garbage on all medium settings. Not even comparable to HL2 on high settings. Day/Night cycles have been done in pc games for ages, where have you been? Also, the dynamic lighting that they do in Crysis is sort of fake, it is not realistic at all and is about as fake as the shadows that the source engine uses. If you were to go out in the jungle in RL it would not look all extra bright looking like how it does in Crysis. Which means that all of lighting calculations that Crysis uses are useless as it isnt even realistic. I think that the objects/characters/textures in Crysis look pretty bad but thats just IMO.
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Source games maxed are more enjoyable to play than Crysis at mediocre settings. Regardless, Crysis looks fairly bad without an AA and the foliage is seriously whack. The only good part is the sunshafts. All in all, I think there are games that made far better use of the resources available to them. An example is TF2, I think it looks great at runs on the absolute worst computers imaginable. Now THAT is a smart business decision.
Valva makes Smart business decisions? yes

if i may, his point was that crysis graphics are something new in PC games and nothing else really compares right now. i also think he was saying if you think L4D has better graphics that your just silly.

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Judging from a video that's about 10% of my screen's resolution? As far as I can tell it looks exactly the same as CS:S with HDR, or TF2 minus the cartoons.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen023.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen036.jpg

Seriously I played Crysis on medium settings on my friend's laptop with 8600M GT SLI and it was perfectly playable. We both agreed that nothing else could look better on max playable settings on that laptop.

If you actually take the time to look around you'd see why people think it's unoptimized. I doubt you can see why when you said L4D looks better. Every single thing in Crysis sports dynamic lighting, and that's something no one else has ever done in games. Game developers using Source actually make fake shadows, meaning they just darken the area as the environment isn't dynamic anyway. In Crysis, there are day and night cycles, and the shadows of every object will update instantly as soon as the light source moves. Also I've never seen better details in characters, objects, and textures in any other games. It's perfectly reasonable for it to require that much hardware power.

If you think Crysis is one of the most unoptimized game because you think Source looks better and because you can't max Crysis like you can max a Source game, I rest my case.
Well, the new episode hl2 games have dynamic lighting, but you are right.
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Source games maxed are more enjoyable to play than Crysis at mediocre settings. Regardless, Crysis looks fairly bad without an AA and the foliage is seriously whack. The only good part is the sunshafts. All in all, I think there are games that made far better use of the resources available to them. An example is TF2, I think it looks great at runs on the absolute worst computers imaginable. Now THAT is a smart business decision.
As a business decision, I do agree that Crytek screwed up by implementing such an advanced engine at this time of the hardware cycle, but you cannot deny that Crysis has the best graphics ever in a game. Crytek made good use of what was available to them, the only problem was they used too much of it, and apparently people these days will call a game bad if they can't max it. And the foliage actually looks pretty good on my 24" but not as great on the 22" I used to have since this one has smaller pixels.

And I already discussed about gameplay in a previous post. It's a personal preference. I find Crysis's gameplay much different than that of Source games and of CoD4. Most FPS gamers enjoy faster paced gameplay, but I for one enjoy slower, stealthy gameplay of Crysis.
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As a business decision, I do agree that Crytek screwed up by implementing such an advanced engine at this time of the hardware cycle, but you cannot deny that Crysis has the best graphics ever in a game. Crytek made good use of what was available to them, the only problem was they used too much of it, and apparently people these days will call a game bad if they can't max it. And the foliage actually looks pretty good on my 24" but not as great on the 22" I used to have since this one has smaller pixels.

And I already discussed about gameplay in a previous post. It's a personal preference. I find Crysis's gameplay much different than that of Source games and of CoD4. Most FPS gamers enjoy faster paced gameplay, but I for one enjoy slower, stealthy gameplay of Crysis.
Well it's all up to you how you decide to play crysis, but stealth is the best to me.
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As a business decision, I do agree that Crytek screwed up by implementing such an advanced engine at this time of the hardware cycle, but you cannot deny that Crysis has the best graphics ever in a game. Crytek made good use of what was available to them, the only problem was they used too much of it, and apparently people these days will call a game bad if they can't max it. And the foliage actually looks pretty good on my 24" but not as great on the 22" I used to have since this one has smaller pixels.

And I already discussed about gameplay in a previous post. It's a personal preference. I find Crysis's gameplay much different than that of Source games and of CoD4. Most FPS gamers enjoy faster paced gameplay, but I for one enjoy slower, stealthy gameplay of Crysis.
Gameplay is another matter. Some people may like it, some people may not. Crysis has the most advanced game engine ever but I believe it was very poorly implemented. To enjoy the game at the most common gaming resolutions, you need an 8800GT or so. This is not anywhere near the norm. CryEngine 2 running at 60% looks worse than say the Unreal Engine 3 at 100% or the Bioware engine at 100%.
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As a business decision, I do agree that Crytek screwed up by implementing such an advanced engine at this time of the hardware cycle, but you cannot deny that Crysis has the best graphics ever in a game. Crytek made good use of what was available to them, the only problem was they used too much of it, and apparently people these days will call a game bad if they can't max it. And the foliage actually looks pretty good on my 24" but not as great on the 22" I used to have since this one has smaller pixels.

And I already discussed about gameplay in a previous post. It's a personal preference. I find Crysis's gameplay much different than that of Source games and of CoD4. Most FPS gamers enjoy faster paced gameplay, but I for one enjoy slower, stealthy gameplay of Crysis.
Crysis isn't stealthily at all, in fact once of the things that bugged me out about Crysis and Farcry was how they could spot me from a mile away in foliage. Anyways, in the end you are going to have to kill most of the Koreans upfront so I wouldn't consider it stealthy.
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