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'Hidden pins'? A south bridge, which ostensibly only deals with the I/O, is needed to unlock this secret hidden ninja power?

I somehow sense a ghetto mod to unlock the secret magic of the Six Pins of Fire +10, once it's released and someone figures out how it does its thing. This reminds me of Nvidia's bogus explanation for the lack of SLI on Intel chipsets and why they need two Nvidia chips on Skulltrail. It's just to fool people into buying something else.

I just bought a so-called 'top of the line' AM2+ board, the 790FX. Turns out the southbridge is an old dog and that the new one is right around the corner. I bought AMD when I should've bought Core 2, I bought a new board when I shouldn't have, heck if I'm buying this! I know it'll end up being outdated once I get it anyway, I'm jinxed. My only good purchase since the old Radeon 9800Pro has been this 8800GTX. Dammit.
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I don't know what this is talking about, considering the BE has an unlocked multi to begin with, so this likely boils down to better voltage control, or something similar that simply wasn't available on the 690 chipset.
    
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Originally Posted by bowman View Post
'Hidden pins'? A south bridge, which ostensibly only deals with the I/O, is needed to unlock this secret hidden ninja power?

I somehow sense a ghetto mod to unlock the secret magic of the Six Pins of Fire +10, once it's released and someone figures out how it does its thing. This reminds me of Nvidia's bogus explanation for the lack of SLI on Intel chipsets and why they need two Nvidia chips on Skulltrail. It's just to fool people into buying something else.

I just bought a so-called 'top of the line' AM2+ board, the 790FX. Turns out the southbridge is an old dog and that the new one is right around the corner. I bought AMD when I should've bought Core 2, I bought a new board when I shouldn't have, heck if I'm buying this! I know it'll end up being outdated once I get it anyway, I'm jinxed. My only good purchase since the old Radeon 9800Pro has been this 8800GTX. Dammit.

Should have done your homework. Nearly everyone specifies what is in a motherboard, and if they don't, you can research it on some other place (Newegg always tells you what chips are on a particular mobo). It's very well known that the SB700 is currently only on a few boards and that most (like the 790FX) still use the older (but still good) SB600. It's not like it's a big conspiracy or anything.
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I don't know what this is talking about, considering the BE has an unlocked multi to begin with, so this likely boils down to better voltage control, or something similar that simply wasn't available on the 690 chipset.
Free overclocking. No need to mess around in your BIOS. Good for the common folk. It's nothing more than a gimmick really. Something for the regular people. Useless for guys like us since we overclock anything anyways.
Edited by Melcar - 6/5/08 at 3:49pm
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I don't know what this is talking about, considering the BE has an unlocked multi to begin with, so this likely boils down to better voltage control, or something similar that simply wasn't available on the 690 chipset.
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Free overclocking. No need to mess around in your BIOS. Good for the common folk. It's nothing more than a gimmick really. Something for the regular people. Useless for guys like us since we overclock anything anyways.
The article does say it changes the CPU multiplyer, but I'm thinking it has to be more than that. Being a Black Edition, the 9850 already has the unlocked multiplier and with the current motherboards it has trouble getting above 3GHz stably. Now taking that into account, how can they have the chip run overclocked by default at a frequency above the average stable limit? There's something else going on here that AMD wants to keep hidden IMO.
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I cant wait until AMD chips start to hit 3.6GHz on average.
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The article says that if you have an "upcoming CPU running at 2.8GHz" you will then get the speed bumps. That means that either the new CPUs have something extra on them, or that the claimed speeds (3GHz and 3.2GHz) will only be available to chips that are already running at 2.8GHz. This may be limited to only those chips and not be available to slower chips, but a proportional speed increase for slower chips could also be possible (a 2.6GHz BE could run at 2.8GHz and 3GHz respectively). Nowhere does it say that all BE chips will be upgraded to 3GHz and above.
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The article says that if you have an "upcoming CPU running at 2.8GHz" you will then get the speed bumps. That means that either the new CPUs have something extra on them, or that the claimed speeds (3GHz and 3.2GHz) will only be available to chips that are already running at 2.8GHz. This may be limited to only those chips and not be available to slower chips, but a proportional speed increase for slower chips could also be possible (a 2.6GHz BE could run at 2.8GHz and 3GHz respectively). Nowhere does it say that all BE chips will be upgraded to 3GHz and above.
This is a good point. I was basing what I said partially on the original Fudzilla article, which seemed to imply that it was an already existing CPU:

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AMD demoed a board with the SB750, which struggled to overlock the CPU to 3GHz, but once the overclocking feature was enabled the same CPU had no problem reaching 3.2GHz
Going just off of that, it does give the impression that it is something more than just a multiplier change, but it doesn't mention actually what CPU was used so it could have been the same "upcoming CPU". I do have to wonder why AMD hasn't really said a whole lot about it though. Really it still makes sense even if it is just a free multiplier increase because it would encourage Phenom customers to buy an AMD chipset over an Nvidia one.

I think this raises another question too: What is this upcoming 2.8GHz CPU? Unless I missed something, the only Phenom AMD will be releasing before Deneb is the 9950BE with a stock frequency of 2.66GHz, not the 2.8 as mentioned in the article.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 6/5/08 at 4:51pm
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Thats been canceled and current plans call for an Athlon 6000 series to replace it. No idea if they mean the current series or introducing more, faster, Athlon 6xxx processors.
they are actually continuing on with the 6000 series, notice they did the 6400. so we shall expect to see every number between 6050 and 6950 for the next one's to come out.... i think there also might be a 7000 series, but unsure at this time, PM me if you want more answers.....
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This could be the news to make the Phenom a decent competitor for the Nehlam. IIRC clock for clock wasn't the phenom 15-20% faster than the C2D, which would be in line with the new Intel offerings.
    
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