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i hope that intel has trouble clocking the nehalem chips high at first due to multi-core complexity, and that it's not limited to an AMD blunder

this seems a little fishy, but a 3.2ghz quad is always welcome
    
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Originally Posted by Tufelhunden View Post
IIRC clock for clock wasn't the phenom 15-20% faster than the C2D, which would be in line with the new Intel offerings.
Clock for clock, Phenom is roughly equal to Core2 depending on what you test. Though admittedly the difference between them is usually exaggerated quite a bit until you start overclocking. Deneb/Shanghai (Which are set to debut in Q4 I believe) are supposed to bring some performance enhancements over K10 clock for clock as well as introduce the 45nm process which should improve clock speeds as well. I have doubts, however, that it will be able to compete with Nehalem.





AMD's response to Nehalem is Bulldozer. It's supposed debut in 2009 and is a completely new architecture. Very few details are known about it, but AMD intends for it to be the fastest processor ever made. Hopefully, it will live up to that.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 6/5/08 at 6:26pm
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Clock for clock, Phenom still lagged behind C2D for most things. Shanghai/Deneb (Due Q4 this year, I believe) is supposed to improve performance as well as shrink to 45nm. It should get pretty close to matching C2D clock for clock. As far as gaming goes, though, in GPU-limited scenarios which covers most games, Phenom vs C2D makes little difference.

AMD's response to Nehalem is Bulldozer. It's supposed debut in 2009 and is a completely new architecture. Very few details are known about it, but AMD intends for it to be the fastest processor ever made. Hopefully, it will live up to that.
Clock per clock amd = intel ATM. 9850BE is 2% faster then Q6600 @ stock in about everything.
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Clock per clock amd = intel ATM. 9850BE is 2% faster then Q6600 @ stock in about everything.
Yea, it looks like I might just wait for Bulldozer if these Phenoms are starting to clock up higher. If Bulldozer is really as good as AMD says that it will be than it should be faster than Nehalem and as we all know, AMD has much better chipsets than Intel. So it would be worth it to stick with AMD if you already have a decent AMD system IMHO.

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Clock for clock, Phenom still lagged behind C2D for most things. Though admittedly the difference is usually exaggerated quite a bit until you start overclocking. Deneb/Shanghai (Which are set to debut in Q4 I believe) are supposed to bring some performance enhancements over K10 clock for clock as well as introduce the 45nm process which should improve clock speeds as well. I have doubts, however, that it will be able to compete with Nehalem.





AMD's response to Nehalem is Bulldozer. It's supposed debut in 2009 and is a completely new architecture. Very few details are known about it, but AMD intends for it to be the fastest processor ever made. Hopefully, it will live up to that.
You just contradicted yourself with those benchmarks.........
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This could be the news to make the Phenom a decent competitor for the Nehlam. IIRC clock for clock wasn't the phenom 15-20% faster than the C2D, which would be in line with the new Intel offerings.
Nope. Clock for clock the Phenom is slower, and if the tests from Anandtech are right, the Phenom is only half as fast as Nehalem clock for clock. It sucks for AMD. That new architecture better hurry up, and it better be a miracle.

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Clock per clock amd = intel ATM. 9850BE is 2% faster then Q6600 @ stock in about everything.
You are right. I edited my post to better clarify that the real difference is overclocking
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Clock per clock amd = intel ATM. 9850BE is 2% faster then Q6600 @ stock in about everything.
But the Q6600 can on average get to 3.6ghz and above - up to 4ghz in some case
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You just contradicted yourself with those benchmarks.........
I did, but I also didn't show the 3D rendering benchmarks where the fastest Phenom was still beaten by the slowest C2Q. When I said clock for clock, C2 still beats Phenom, I was thinking overclocking performance, but I did write "clock for clock".
Edited by darkcloud89 - 6/5/08 at 6:25pm
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can someone explain this please?
    
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SW33T! I'll start saving from now , my current CPU and mobo are teh lame

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Free overclocking. No need to mess around in your BIOS. Good for the common folk. It's nothing more than a gimmick really. Something for the regular people. Useless for guys like us since we overclock anything anyways.
Eventhough for I tech savvy like me, I think that the easy overclocking option is a plus if the price doesn't deffer that much.
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