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So this is my first post, but not my first build or oc.

I am going to be a Junior in Electrical/Computer Engineering this fall and really need a new Desktop. I currently have a MBP and love it, but I need a desktop to do my traditional CPU heavy engineering apps and maybe play some games.

Nehalem is right around the corner and I think the best build would utilize a Bloomfield Quad. Now the semester starts before the initial release of Nehalem and I still need a computer to do most of the work.

In other related news, my mother needs a new computer so this is the plan I devised.

I'll build an initial system, and then once Nehalem comes out, swap out my mobo, proc, and ram into a system my mom can use.

Here is the dilemma.

I'm wondering if I should go for a Q6600 or an E8400. Now I have searched all the threads and read them all, and I'm still not sure. The E8400 is cheaper, and since the system will only be temporary, this seems like a smart option. My question is will all my engineering apps, i.e. MATLAB, Xilinx hardware coding, Multisim circuit designer, Altium designer, run better with the Quad?

I'm pretty sure none of these apps have been upgraded to use quad-core abilities so I think that the faster clock speed would help me here. Both chips would be overclocked, and the system will be watercooled so I will probably push the Q6600 to 3.6 GHZ and the E8400 to 4.3.

My product list so far looks like this:

Silverstone TJ07 black with window
LITE-ON DVD-R x2
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 x2 (RAID 0)
ACER 24" LCD
ATI HD4870 x2 (Crossfire)
Silverstone 800W Modular
Mushkin 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) PC2-6400 DDR2 800
Gigabyte GA-EP35C
Intel E8400

So will the quad be beneficial, or will the extra Hz benefit me more?
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You want two 4870's in crossfire for some "maybe gaming"? A tad overkill if you ask me.

You should get:

Q6700
one 4870
This or this case (these are good cases with sharp looks).
This monitor (2x if you can afford it).

The rest looks pretty good.
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post #3 of 12
For some CPU heavy engineering applications, go with a Q6600 or a Q9450 (if you want SSE4 support). Drop the HD4870 crossfire idea if you will be *maybe* gaming because a single one should be able to max out most games.

I'd also change the monitor to a Samsung 245BW and change the motherboard to either a GA-EP35-DS3L or a DFI DK P35-T2RS (if you want raid capability).

Hard drive wise, I'd get a WD 640GB on a Samsung Spinpoint F1 for maximum performance.
post #4 of 12
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I can always drop one 4870, not a real biggie to me.

More of it was going to be for rendering anyway, and I'm not totally sure if crossfire would even help at that point. I was going to softmod it to detect the 4870 as a FireGL card.

Anyway, the Q9450 is a little bit out of my price range for now, same with the Q6700.

I already did a build, my aunts, with a Q6600 and I could swap it out with the E8400 if I found that it wasn't giving me the performance that I need. This might be the route I go.

After 5 months it really won't be a big deal since this will be replaced with a Bloomfield Quad anyway.

Also, the case and screen I have really been set on so I won't be changing them.

For hard drives the Samsung and Seagate are the same price on the Egg so it really comes down to which one performs better.

Thanks for the support.
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I can always drop one 4870, not a real biggie to me.

More of it was going to be for rendering anyway, and I'm not totally sure if crossfire would even help at that point. I was going to softmod it to detect the 4870 as a FireGL card.

Anyway, the Q9450 is a little bit out of my price range for now, same with the Q6700.

I already did a build, my aunts, with a Q6600 and I could swap it out with the E8400 if I found that it wasn't giving me the performance that I need. This might be the route I go.

After 5 months it really won't be a big deal since this will be replaced with a Bloomfield Quad anyway.

Also, the case and screen I have really been set on so I won't be changing them.

For hard drives the Samsung and Seagate are the same price on the Egg so it really comes down to which one performs better.

Thanks for the support.
The Samsung Spinpoint F1 range is the performance king at the moment. Also, swapping in the Q6600 would be a good idea if you are rendering.

Looking good mate. The case is a beast and a half!
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what exactly are you going to be rendering in circuit design? I know if your going to university then your first year/two will be the same as any engineering course and will involve mechanical CAD although this will only be simple designing however if your just doing Electrical Engineering, a quad core isnt really necessary, nor is a FireGL card as most circuit design programs just follow relatively simple algorithms. Dual 4870's are definitely overkill for 'light' gaming, i do however agree that you will require a higher cpu clock speed so the E8400 will be a good choice as you can get it up to 4Ghz on a moderate OC
    
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Well the rendering is more for wireframing multi layer boards in Altium. And some other side stuff when designing certain products.

This will be my third year and the way my University does it is that I have been doing CAD based stuff, software and hardware programming, circuit design, logic circuit design, and multiple code languages. This next year will be more into more complex layouts and such, plus I have some things on my own that I would like to experiment with. Mostly just getting into 3D studio Max.
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Get a minium of 4GB of RAM along with a quad core processor. A Q9450 for SSE3 support would be a good idea.

And you wanted dual $300 graphics cards, yet you can't spend $100 more on a CPU? Get the 9450 and only a single 4870.
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Ok, so the way it looks is that I'm going to go with ONE HD4870.

Sticking with more clock speed so I am going with an E8400. Since I already built a Q6600, this is a cheap way to get into 45nm anyway!

Anyway this sucker will probably pack a lot more in it when I drop the extra bills on the nehalem setup.

That will get at least 4 GB of some high clock speed DDR3, plus I plan on overclocking the crap out of the Bloomfield. That is if Intel doesn't lock the overclocking on those chips, but Intel said that only mid grade and low level stuff will be locked. Hopefully that will be on the LGA 1160 only, and not the 1366.

Anyway if I do start gaming more I can always add a card and crossfire them if I feel the need to, but I doubt that will happen.

Again guys, thanks for the support and suggestions.
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Ok, so I finally got off my ass and used some of my cash to get some stuff. So far:

Antec 1200 Case
DFI LP DK P35
OCZ Reaper 4GB DDR2 1066
Antec Signature 850W

Next is going to be:
D-Tek Fusion V2
Feser X-Changer Dual 120
Swiftech Micro-Res
Feser Tube Clear/UV Blue
Feser One Clear/UV Blue
Swiftech MCP-655-B

All 1/2" diamater

Yate Loon 88CFM fans

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB x2
Acer P243WAid 24" monitor
LITE-ON DVD-RW
Intel E8400 once the price drop occurs
ATI 4870

And that should wrap it up. Comments?
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