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I want 45nm Windsor. I think that is what they should do for their dual-core line. It would be a cold, high clocking, multi-core chip. Perfect for the desktop market.
And youll just swear by that old technology.

K8 is not their product line anymore, if you want a cpu that performs less than the K10.. Then get it.

But cold is not the word. "Cool" maybe. But its not going to run under like 35C unless your room is like really cool.

Also, die shrinks dont always mean high clocks.
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I think a lot of do. One of these days I'll have me a good'ol high end rig
you and me both. but what you have is already a lot higher than i've ever seen
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And youll just swear by that old technology.

K8 is not their product line anymore, if you want a cpu that performs less than the K10.. Then get it.

But cold is not the word. "Cool" maybe. But its not going to run under like 35C unless your room is like really cool.

Also, die shrinks dont always mean high clocks.
Windsor has high clocks to begin with (for an AMD chip anyways, hits over 4ghz with proper cooling and a skilled overclocker.) And my Windsor hits 29c stock with a dust clogged heatsink and AS5 on it. Coming from 90nm to 45nm would definitely take a huge chunk out of it, although like you said won't be below 35c probably.
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Windsor has high clocks to begin with (for an AMD chip anyways, hits over 4ghz with proper cooling and a skilled overclocker.) And my Windsor hits 29c stock with a dust clogged heatsink and AS5 on it. Coming from 90nm to 45nm would definitely take a huge chunk out of it, although like you said won't be below 35c probably.
4ghz??

Maybe on some high end phase change or ln2.
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4ghz??

Maybe on some high end phase change or ln2.
QFT. I think, unless you go LN2 or phase, pretty much 3.5 is the very highest you can hope for, though I think someone got an old FX series CPU to almost 5 on LN2 before, but that was back in the 939 days.

Once Quad Cores are properly utilized, I may go back to AMD, as I think, theoretically, they have the better hardware. Things just perform better on Intel for the time being.
    
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I may go back to AMD, as I think, theoretically, they have the better hardware. Things just perform better on Intel for the time being.
Theoretically, they do. Phenom's biggest problem, in my opinion, is that it's way too big for them to be making it on a 65nm process. And it isn't just the size of the process, they're also still using SOI instead of HKMG. SOI really hurts clock speeds (current leakage, TDP) when you get down to 65nm and lower. AMD can't really be faulted for this since they simply lack the resources to keep up with Intel on process technology, and they rely on IBM. I think once AMD can start ramping up production of Phenoms on HKMG we should start to see much higher clock speeds with lower TDP.

The other thing that I think will help AMD's performance eventually is that with Nehalem, Intel actually made their architecture more similar to AMD's. Because Intel gets a lot of software developers to optimize their code to run on their processors (again, something AMD can't afford), Intel is actaully going to lose this benefit with Nehalem. These optimizations were typically made to ensure optimal use of cache due to the memory latency with a FSB. Now, Nehalem is going the same route that AMD took with K8 and has less cache, but an IMC. If anything this should make benchmark comparisons fairer because there's less that can be done to optimize for either of the marchitectures that would provide a substantial performance boost.

I have more thoughts about Nehalem vs Shanghai, but meh, that's a blog post at some point...
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I think that by the time Quad Cores are fully utilized, that AMD's little advantages will start to show. The Native Quad Core, and better memory controller, and all that stuff will become a bigger advantage as Quad Cores come into the mainstream. Just a theory, though.
    
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4ghz??

Maybe on some high end phase change or ln2.
Of course it was i believe it was like 1.6v to do it.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=324300

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=323823

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=324277

No voltages listed. Either way Athlon X2s have been to the mysterious 4ghz barrier. And thats the tip of the iceberg. I found quite a few more but didn't want to bother listing them all.
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Of course it was i believe it was like 1.6v to do it.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=324300

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=323823

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=324277

No voltages listed. Either way Athlon X2s have been to the mysterious 4ghz barrier. And thats the tip of the iceberg. I found quite a few more but didn't want to bother listing them all.
And Core 2's have been to the 4ghz barrier.. And went past it like nothing..
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And Core 2's have been to the 4ghz barrier.. And went past it like nothing..
Never said they didn't, hell never said anything about Core2. I just said AMD needs to get a 45nm Windsor out for their dual-core lineup. Because it would be a great and cheap chip. Cheap to make (small die compared to quad cores), low power, low heat, great clocks. If it wasn't for the bad power-per-clock on K8 it would be the perfect.
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