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post #11 of 20
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They've done nothing.
Really? What the hek are these guys talking about then?

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Our test sample of the Ultra-120 eXtreme came with the latest retaining clip system design, and did not require any additional washers to increase compression onto the processor. We understand that older versions were plagued with a weak mounting strength, but I assure you that this version had more than enough tension to make it difficult to completely tighten down.
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Really? What the hek are these guys talking about then?
Unless they revised it within the last month.

I bet there are still early revisions still in circulation, and I got one.
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Originally Posted by grunion View Post
Unless they revised it within the last month.

I bet there are still early revisions still in circulation, and I got one.
Meh, the washer works fine.
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post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Choggs396 View Post
If they were to use delta from ambient to load, then I see what you're saying.



But what programs were they running? With the delta temps given (of less than 15C from ambient to CPU temp), I'm more likely to think it is either idle temps or relatively small load temps.

I read through most of the article and still don't see what programs (if anything) they were running during the temperature testing. That, combined with not stating the actual idle and load temps, concerns me to the thoroughness (or lack thereof) of this review.
There's a whole page on testing methodology...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=5
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Testing was conducted in a loosely scientific manner. Ambient room temperatures levels were held to within one degree of fluctuation measured at static point beside the test equipment with a calibrated digital thermometer. All coolers had their original manufacturer-supplied fan removed and replaced with our common test fan listed in the support equipment section below. Each product then received the same amount of Thermal Interface Material (specified below), which amounted to roughly a BB-sized drop placed onto the center of the CPU. The CPU cooler product being tested was then laid down flat onto the CPU, and compressed to the motherboard using the supplied retaining mechanism. If the mounting mechanism used only two point of force, they were tightened in alternation; standard clip-style mounting with four securing points were compressed using the cross-over method. Once installed, the system was tested for a baseline reading prior to testing.

At the start of each test, the ambient room temperature was measured to track any fluctuation throughout the testing period. EVEREST Ultimate Engineer Version 4.20.1170 was then utilized to create core loads and measure each individual CPU core temperature. It's important to note that software-based temperature readings reflect the thermistor output as recorded by the BIOS. For this reason, it is critically important to use the exact same software and BIOS versions throughout the entire test cycle, or the results will be incomparable. All of the units compared in our results were tested on the same motherboard using the same BIOS and software, with only the product itself changing in each test. These readings are neither absolute nor calibrated, since every BIOS is programmed differently. Nevertheless, all results are still comparable and relative to each products in our test bed.

One unfortunate problem is that CPU's report temperatures as a whole number and not in fractions. This in turn causes the motherboard BIOS and subsequent software applications such as EVEREST to also report to the nearest whole number. To compensate for this, our tests were conducted several times after complete power down thermal cycles. Conversely, the ambient room temperature levels were all recorded and accurate to one-tenth of a degree Celsius.

...

All of our tests are conducted using two different product orientations: horizontal and vertical. So far as we can tell, Benchmark Reviews is probably the first website to test with this method. We do this because there are different requirements for each persons system, and it's a good idea to know what effect gravity has on the product.

At the start of our test period, the test system is orientated sideways in a flat "HTPC" position which places the motherboard and processor horizontally to face up towards the ceiling. Next, the computer system is powered on and EVEREST system stability tests are started with Stress CPU and Stress FPU options selected. Then for a minimum of ten minutes EVEREST loads each CPU core to 100% usage, which drives the temperature to its highest point. Finally, once temperatures have sustained a plateau, the ending ambient room temperature and CPU core levels are recorded and the first benchmark segment is complete. EVEREST remains running at full load into the next test segment.

The second benchmark segment begins by simply turning the test system vertically upright into a standing tower position, so that the motherboard and CPU are facing to the side. Many of the products we have tested utilize a "U" pattern in the heat-pipe rods, and the upright system orientation favors this particular product design because it removes the effect of gravity on the heat-pipes' thermal cycle. For a minimum of five additional minutes EVEREST continues to load each CPU core, and once temperatures have plateaued the ending ambient room temperature and CPU core levels are recorded. This process was identical for all cooling solutions used in our benchmark tests segments.
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So they were loading the CPU's at 100%, and the delta from ambient to load was only ~15 degrees Celcius (and 25 degrees Celcius for the stock cooler)? Wow. Either these coolers are a lot better than I though, or the EVEREST loading process is nothing compared to Orthos/Prime 95/OCCT. Because that's where you'll see the most important temp readings come out. When high temps actually matter the most (at their highest).

I think it's funny how you adamantly defend this somewhat ambiguous review, yet are in my PSU thread complaining about how the testing methods aren't ridiculously thorough for it and subsequently calling the reviews "USELESS".

All I want to see for these CPU cooler tests are temps they obviously already have but just aren't saying (their actual temps and just not the final delta), and for them to run a single simple program that many other review sights use to show high temps.

I could say "this review is completely useless" without all the information and more stressful tests; but I think saying something like that is just too simplistic. It does provide some good info, just not as much as I'd like (and possibly others) to see. Try and think about that for a minute.
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post #16 of 20
good review.

BUT what they should have done is to
1. use a quad core
2. overclock the quad core to its limits (3.8Ghz anyone? )

now see which cooler can take the heat! TRUE can take a serious amount of extreme heat while other lesser heatpipe coolers will struggle to remove the heat as fast
post #17 of 20
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All I want to see for these CPU cooler tests are temps they obviously already have but just aren't saying (their actual temps and just not the final delta), and for them to run a single simple program that many other review sights use to show high temps.
I agree, I'd really prefer to see idle and load temperatures, using Prime95 for the load testing and comparison between quad and dual core CPUs, it's not that much to ask, surely? Different coolers perform differently at different temperatures, some coolers don't do much until they really start getting warm and then the heatpipes come into full effect.
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It also depends on the fan used - eg all of us with TRUE's usually use a high CFM 38mm thick fan like my Ultra Kase compared to the 25mm fan used - most people with the TRUE will lap it also - also bringing down temps
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Did OCZ and Xigmatek patented the HDT design? Why isn't Thermalright coming out with a HDT version of the TRU (or even the TRUE)?
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=156&Itemid=62
This is based on out of the box performance and not after any modding.
Out of the box... considering the surface qualities, especially the TRUE and it often warped base that would be like saying...

Lets compare the Zo6, Ford GT and .... on regular gas instead of premium.

Not to much else worth saying!
    
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