Originally Posted by ocnjk
Again, go find me where you see experienced overclockers that actually know what they are doing that believe in degredation above 1.4 VCORE. I've already linked you to one where they say the VTT is the cause, not VCORE.
There has been a link already provided from the xtreme forums that shows evidence of degredation to be non-existant.
In either case, I'll enjoy pushing my chip while all the believers of this false sense of degredation can spend more money on replacing chips to hit 4ghz+ on less than 1.365v.
Going on 4.275GHZ @1.3875v Vcore for several months now and still working like a beast. Can pass prime95 12hour stable on same settings since the beginning. FSB Voltage has never been raise above 1.3v
Well, unless you have access to an electron microscope, you will never prove to me that degradation doesn't happen. It is a common occurance with ALL electronics, it is just a matter of how much and how fast. VTT voltage is commonly used fior stabilizing quads, but is very rarely needed with dual cores. Just because anandtech killed a QX with high VTT does not prove that high vcore doesn't kill the 45nm as well. Just becasue a few people over at XS polled that they do not believe in degradation doesn't prove a thing either. What people claim and what they are actually doing are very different things in the OCing world.
Since there is no way for me to porve anyomnes OCing ability without researching all their posts etc. (sorry, not gonna happen) and even then, there are so many other factors involved that it becomes moot. Just becasue there are people out there that have had no problems for a few months at higher vcore prosves nothing. There are just as many that fried their CPU's.
Why do you think Intel had 65nm with a vcore limit near 1.5, but once the 45nm CPU's ame out it dropped to 1.3625v? The higher the voltage range they can use, the more CPU's they can sell. (as in, more of the poorer batches can be cranked up to run the stock speeds and stay intact throughout the warranty period.)
I am happy that your CPU has been running fine. But you have in no way proven that degradation doesn't occur or that higher vcore does not accelerate it.
edit: I am at work now, but I plan on reading the entire anandtech article and the XS thread when I have mroe time. We'll see if my thoughts change then....)