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little desperate arguement?
I want ATI to do good just as much as the next guy, but when a graph is given with no figures or any labelled axis as to what the graph is showing then I have no reason to beleive it.

If these were indeed genuine, then why wouldn't they label the axis to boast what the card is good at? And don't say to save time, it isn't exactly taxing to label some axis.

So yea, I will remain cautious of these graphs. If you can't understand my reasoning behind that then please refrain from insulting me.
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I love people who can't read graphs
Man, the last few pages had me laughing... how difficult can it be to comprehend a graph?

Back to grade 9 math for you.
    
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I want ATI to do good just as much as the next guy, but when a graph is given with no figures or any labelled axis as to what the graph is showing then I have no reason to beleive it.

If these were indeed genuine, then why wouldn't they label the axis to boast what the card is good at? And don't say to save time, it isn't exactly taxing to label some axis.

So yea, I will remain cautious of these graphs. If you can't understand my reasoning behind that then please refrain from insulting me.
they did, they gave a percentage point. if you really wanted to can just find 9800gtx//8800gt benchmarks for each game then multiply it by the 1.X they give and it will give you a frame rate.
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the reason they didnt lable the axis with fps is that its a hell of a lot easier to make one graph based off percents then about 20 graphs based off FPS. then they just hope that the reader passed any form of algebra...
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My bad, mis read that bit.



We don't know that for sure. And still, not all games will have the same point of reference for the same card.

If we did it that way it would mean like the 9800GTX scored 38FPS in Crysis DX10 and 38FPS in FarCry DX9

Unless the point of reference is different for every game, in which it makes the graph useless anyways

I seriously doubt these are real, it is too much of a coincidence that there have been a pro Nvidia graph and a pro ATI spilling the same info.
You are completely missing the point. It is a point of reference for THAT GAME. The HD 4870 scored about 40% higher in each game than the 9800gtx. This does NOT mean the 9800gtx had the same FPS in each game. It means they took whatever it scored in a particular game, and are directly comparing it to the HD 4870 scores.

Fake, example numbers:

Say the 9800gtx has ~48 FPS in Crysis. Then say the HD 4870 has ~67 FPS. Directly comparing the two, we can say the HD 4870 scored ~40% higher than the 9800gtx.

Another game...

World in Conflict - 9800gtx = 58 FPS, HD 4870 = 81 FPS. Again, the HD 4870 is about 40% better.

GOT IT? Good.

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But like I said, if it is that way. The graph means jack because there are no figures for this (1) to directly translate into performance.
If you could actually read the graph, you would see that the HD 4870 was about 35%-50% better in every game tested.
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the reason they didnt lable the axis with fps is that its a hell of a lot easier to make one graph based off percents then about 20 graphs based off FPS. then they just hope that the reader passed any form of algebra...




Welcome another person who understands graphs and the point of representing the information this way.
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Back to grade 9 math for you.
What?! You learnt how to read a graph in grade 9?
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the reason they didnt lable the axis with fps is that its a hell of a lot easier to make one graph based off percents then about 20 graphs based off FPS. then they just hope that the reader passed any form of algebra...
I have another idea about that. I think it's much more nefarious, that they don't want us to realize what kind of framerates we are already getting...

I mean sure 40% better is still better, but does it matter when the 9800 GTX is getting 50+ FPS?

If we knew the framerates, i have the feeling we'd be less inclined to upgrade, since the numbers are most likely to be quite high anyways.

*Waits for inevitable mention of crysis*
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I mean sure 40% better is still better, but does it matter when the 9800 GTX is getting 50+ FPS?
i agree 100% on that but if everyone cared, the GT280 wouldnt exist. it doesnt matter how much better a car looks above 50-60 fps but it sounds better if you get 80 fps. all about the epeen
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I have another idea about that. I think it's much more nefarious, that they don't want us to realize what kind of framerates we are already getting...

I mean sure 40% better is still better, but does it matter when the 9800 GTX is getting 50+ FPS?

If we knew the framerates, i have the feeling we'd be less inclined to upgrade, since the numbers are most likely to be quite high anyways.

*Waits for inevitable mention of crysis*
Winner.

Please note I doubt that anybody really needed to have the graph explained, but presenting information this way is marketing department fluff. We're told that their baseline is whatever the guys stuff can do, plus whatever percent - but we are never given details about what the other guys stuff can do. We aren't given any details about the test systems or how they were configured - one could have been overclocked while the other underclocked or different components used. There's no way to know because we aren't given any way to verify their claims of percentage gains. All we are given is "We're better than the other guy."

In short this graph is not intended to inform, it's intended to reinforce bias. Those that are inclined to go Red every time around will look at this and point to it as evidence that theirs was the correct choice. These claims will end up being posted so many times online that people will begin to believe it regardless what the 3rd party tests show - that's how bias works. It's called "building brand loyalty."

Take a psyche course or two down at you local community college if you haven't already, and while you're at it get some books on Edward Bernays, the father of public relations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Edited by Jarhead - 6/12/08 at 7:24pm
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