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What is yours?? Why did you bring it up then?
My point is:

"take the property of another wrongfully" would generally be considered an "unauthorized use"

!=

"unauthorized use" would generally be considered "take the property of another wrongfully"





Just as:





"stealing" would generally be considered "piracy"

!=

"piracy" would generally be considered "stealing"
Edited by leakyfaucet - 6/14/08 at 12:05am
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My point is:

"take the property of another wrongfully" would generally be considered an "unauthorized use"

!=

"unauthorized use" would generally be considered "take the property of another wrongfully"
Where did I explicitly write that last sentence? Where?

I've said time and time again, piracy can be stealing, such as:

AN unauthorized use CAN BE "taking the property of another wrongfully".
    
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Where did I explicitly write that last sentence? Where?
You didn't write that, I switched the definitions to show you what your argument was.
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I've said time and time again, piracy can be stealing, such as: AN unauthorized use CAN BE "taking the property of another wrongfully".
Yeah, that's your whole argument, I know. But my point is you have yet to provide a single valid explanation as to HOW pirating can be "taking the property of another wrongfully." We don't see it as "taking" so you can't just repeat yourself.

Anyways, I am turning off the computer because I am done wasting my time; I recommend you take a philosophy class.
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You didn't write that, I switched the definitions to show you what your argument was.
Oh, OK. Sure. Thanks for showing me.

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Yeah, that's your whole argument, I know. But my point is you have yet to provide a single valid explanation as to HOW pirating can be "taking the property of another wrongfully." We don't see it as "taking" so you can't just repeat yourself.

Anyways, I am turning off the computer because I am done wasting my time; I recommend you take a philosophy class.
Wow. More passive insults regarding my education. Nice. Well, it seems your claims as to why my argument isn't right are actually based on your inept rewording and misinterpretation of what I've said.

Either that, or you've intentionally made a straw man argument to prove I'm guilty of another fallacy... how ironic! And all in an attempt to defend software piracy. How noble.

Since you won't admit piracy can be stealing ...

How about we agree to go by a more legal definition, according to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law:

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Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: 'pI-r&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
1 : an act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state —see also AIRCRAFT PIRACY Article I of the CONSTITUTION in the back matter
2 a : the unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of another's production (as a film) esp. in infringement of a copyright <software piracy> b : the unauthorized use, interception, or receipt of encoded communications (as satellite cable programming) esp. to avoid paying fees for use <the statute's purpose is to proscribe the piracy of programming signals —United States v. Harrell, 983 Federal Reporter, Second Series 36 (1993)>
3 : the crime of committing piracy
A key word you may want to note here, is crime. Is that better?
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Beyond its effects on file sharing litigation, the bill would create a new, taxpayer-funded federal bureaucracy focused on policing intellectual property domestically and overseas, including:

a United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Representative, appointed by the President,
an Intellectual Property Enforcement Division in the Department of Justice, and
additional intellectual property attachés to staff U.S. embassies.
These new federal bureaucrats would essentially have one responsibility -- protecting the business interests of the biggest names in movies, music, and software. All of these industries are profitable, many of the corporations are foreign, and yet they want the American taxpayer to pick up the tab. Surely, Americans would rather see their tax dollars spent helping businesses and individuals who don't have ample means to help themselves.
NO, JUST NO.

Friggin' businesses can look out for their own interests, if anything these penalties are ridiculous, and we don't need to create a CITIZEN FUNDED BUREAUCRACY to deal with this crap. Government for the people my ass.

And before you think I'm on a rant because I download music (I don't,) it's ridiculous that you can go to a music store and steal multiple CD's and the penalties aren't this bad. Even then you can use the stolen CD's to burn all your friends copies, so why is the penalty 500 times stiffer for using the Internet to do it?

It's an obsolete business model, time to think of something new instead of legislating your way through the business world, *******s.


Apologize for the rage, but the last thing we need is more laws on the books and more money in the crapper.
Edited by Arkanor - 6/14/08 at 11:53am
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NO, JUST NO.

Friggin' businesses can look out for their own interests, if anything these penalties are ridiculous, and we don't need to create a CITIZEN FUNDED BUREAUCRACY to deal with this crap. Government for the people my ass.

And before you think I'm on a rant because I download music (I don't,) it's ridiculous that you can go to a music store and steal multiple CD's and the penalties aren't this bad. Even then you can use the stolen CD's to burn all your friends copies, so why is the penalty 500 times stiffer for using the Internet to do it?

It's an obsolete business model, time to think of something new instead of legislating your way through the business world, *******s.


Apologize for the rage, but the last thing we need is more laws on the books and more money in the crapper.
Yeep.

You would think they would have more important things to do then go after people who download music etc.

Like... The War, or maybe finding and rooting out Child Porn, or maybe funding police to help with law enforcement, or help rape victims... the list goes on.

But no, the real monsters, are just your average kid/adult downloading a song or 2.
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