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Gas is still a tangible object. It is physical matter, even if you can't see it.

Rabidgnome and choggs simply need to stop posting in this thread. They are not contributing any useful information and are apparently too narrow minded and naive to wrap their heads around the fact that piracy is not stealing.
i also said that weather its a tangible object or not, you can still steal it, ie data on the platters of a hard disk, u cant see or touch the data and it isnt a physical matter unlike the platters on which it is contained.

look i was trying to support both of your arguements as i feel they are both valid. dont knock someone who is trying to support your end of the stick, it isnt advised
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Im glad i dont use torrents only Rapid**are and other nameless sites
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post #93 of 136
i saw this quote in choggs' sig
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Discussions should be conducted 'without fondness for dispute or desire of victory'. - Ben Franklin
how ironic. although I side mostly with choggs with some exception (it is only right to have a personal viewpoint and dissent form the law at times when you believe the law is wrong)

piracy is wrong. i hope we can all agree here. 003, i don't care if it isn't technically stealing (it is handling stolen goods however, as mentioned above, a lesser offense)
I'm just saying that the underlying justifications for it are merely excuses to lessen the guilt that we feel when pirating something.

there are many things that are wrong that people do all the time without regret or recourse, so take my opinion for what it is...
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I'd bite that bait if I were convervative, but I'm not brainwashed so Gobama!
So everyone who supports Ron Paul is brainwashed, and no one that supports Obama is...

two wrongs don't make a right
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I'm just saying that the underlying justifications for it are merely excuses to lessen the guilt that we feel when pirating something.
Guilt!?

I pay for freeware that is optional to pay for (Qtracker), and software that has free alternatives (Driver Cleaner.NET), and software that could be pirated easily (ToolbarToggle), and I pay for all games.

But. Are you suggesting that myself, or ANYBODY would feel GUILT for pirating something like photoshop, windows or office?
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Wow.

Whats been happening to OCN lately?

For the past week or so all I've seen are childish arguments over who's right and who's wrong.

But, this by far takes the cake.

C'mon you guys? Lighten up?
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Wow.

Whats been happening to OCN lately?

For the past week or so all I've seen are childish arguments over who's right and who's wrong.

But, this by far takes the cake.

C'mon you guys? Lighten up?
You're absolutely right but remember that this is the Internet so there are a few rules:

1. When someone's wrong on the Internet there's no rest. He has to be set straight. That is every forumer's motto.

2. Nobody is setting anybody straight since neither side will give in.

3. Thousands of posts, thousands of explanations, 0 people convinced of anything but their own beliefs.

4. Even tough people make thousands of posts they actually only make 3 and the rest are small variations.

5. It is very possible to carry a debate by copy pasting old posts, and nobody would notice. It then becomes an issue who can make the most posts in the least amount of time - content is unimportant.
Edited by XenoRad - 6/12/08 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by Choggs396 View Post
Steal, (verb) according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:


Piracy, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:


Hint: To "take the property of another wrongfully" would generally be considered an "unauthorized use".
Your definitions are valid but your interpretations are not. When software is copied, nothing is "taken" because it is still there. You fail.

Anyways, arguing a definition is a bit silly. What we can all agree upon, I think, is that the accepted understanding of "stealing" is a different process with different outcomes than "unauthorized reporduction"
Edited by leakyfaucet - 6/12/08 at 1:20pm
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Your definitions are valid but your interpretations are not. When software is copied, nothing is "taken" because it is still there. You fail.

Anyways, arguing a definition is a bit silly. What we can all agree upon, I think, is that the accepted understanding of "stealing" is a different process with different outcomes than "unauthorized reporduction"
I didn't "interpret" anything incorrectly. I compared the exact definitions of the words "steal" and "piracy".

Piracy can be, and quite often is, stealing (or theft). Take a look at the definition again:

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3 a: the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright
If you steal someones work or Intellectual Property, would that not be an "unauthorized use" (piracy)?

The word Piracy directly implies doing something wrong or illegal by definition through the use of the term unauthorized. Which means by doing so, you're either breaking some law or at least violating someones rights. As in, doing something you are not authorized to do.

Arguing definition isn't necessarily silly. Understanding what the definition means leads to understanding why pirating is wrong.
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post #100 of 136
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Originally Posted by Choggs396 View Post
I didn't "interpret" anything incorrectly. I compared the exact definitions of the words "steal" and "piracy".

Piracy can be, and quite often is, stealing (or theft). Take a look at the definition again:

If you steal someones work or Intellectual Property, would that not be an "unauthorized use" (piracy)?

The word Piracy directly implies doing something wrong or illegal by definition through the use of the term unauthorized. Which means by doing so, you're either breaking some law or at least violating someones rights. As in, doing something you are not authorized to do.

Arguing definition isn't necessarily silly. Understanding what the definition means leads to understanding why pirating is wrong.
He's right. You are making loose interpretations to suit your line of thinking.
First "unauthorized" doesn't directly imply wrong or illegal.
Second "unauthorized use" is not tied down to piracy nor theft so you can't use it to bridge the two together. For instance hacking is unauthorized use but is neither theft nor piracy.
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