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I am glad to hear this as Modchipping is not Circumventation of Copyright in itself. It gives you the ability if the end user wishes to do so but it does not break any copryright laws in the first instance to my understanding.

Anyways I modded my Xbox so I see both points of the argument.
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punter??
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It sounds like the same thing as smoking out of a bong...you can own the bong, but as soon as you put an illegal substance in it it becomes illegal.

you should be able to own/make the chip but as soon as you use it for illegal things its illegal. They shouldnt be able to bust the maker of the bong/chip, I think it might depend on how you advertise it...I dont think you can say "pot smoking bong for sale" or "pirate game mod chip for sale." I think thats how Chong got busted.
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I don't see how modding a console is pirating anyway.

I have a modded original Xbox, but that's only so I can screw around in Halo 2 and do things like make magnums shoot stickies and other fun things. And I even deleted the original MS dashboard so I can't use it on XBL.

But still, I think it's M$'s fault for the creation of mod chips. I mean they did leave in the developer debugging spot to solder stuff onto in production Xboxes.
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Not true. What this ruling implies is that the company who makes the High Pass filter isn't committing piracy but the person who purchased it and is using it is committing piracy. So you would be liable but the manufacturer and radio shack wouldn't.
That I agree with and understand, but there's two problems:

1. That's not what the article said the UK ruled on. Quote:

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The granting of the appeal, which was based on the argument that the copyright infringement has already taken place before the use of a modchip, has resulted in the quashing of all 26 counts against a well-known UK modder.
This is saying that the copyright infringement took place before the mod chip was used by the customer. I.e., either in the design and creation of the thing, or in selling it, or somewhere before it was ever actually used. The best I can figure is that they are trying to say that reverse engineering the copy protection in the first place is the copyright violation; and that's just wrong. It may be illegal (depending on where you are, it is here because of the DMCA); but breaking the DRM scheme is not the same as the act of acquiring copyrighted material without paying for it.

2. He did more than than just sell the mod chips, he installed them:

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He also provided a bespoke chipping service to those punters not willing to footle about under the bonnet for themselves.

When the cops kicked his back door down in October 2007, they found 3,700 dodgy chips, imported from Hong Kong as well as 19 consoles which had already had their innards fiddled with.
Once you add the mod chip into the console, the piracy questions begin. The questions being, of course, that in some cases (notably the original XBox) the mod chip enables a helluva lot more than game piracy (which is the reason mod chips are legal in Australia, as I understand it). However, if UK law said that adding a mod chip to a console was illegal (which I believe it did before this), then he was clearly caught with his pants down doing a naughty, naughty thing.
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post #26 of 52
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I am glad to hear this as Modchipping is not Circumventation of Copyright in itself. It gives you the ability if the end user wishes to do so but it does not break any copryright laws in the first instance to my understanding.

Anyways I modded my Xbox so I see both points of the argument.
That's just the thing, just what did they get him on, voiding a warranty?
post #27 of 52
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It sounds like the same thing as smoking out of a bong...you can own the bong, but as soon as you put an illegal substance in it it becomes illegal.

you should be able to own/make the chip but as soon as you use it for illegal things its illegal. They shouldnt be able to bust the maker of the bong/chip, I think it might depend on how you advertise it...I dont think you can say "pot smoking bong for sale" or "pirate game mod chip for sale." I think thats how Chong got busted.

There's a gas station just 15 miles from me that sells $100 plus bongs. They also sell loose tobacco to insert into these bongs.




@ guys not understanding British: What else do you expect? They drive on the wrong side of the road, so of course they're going to use language we have no f'n clue about...lol.
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Serves you right Micro$oft.

More piracy on consoles = better for pc gamers.
If everybody started thinking like you do... there would be no more consoles or games at all.

Console makers make money off the sale of games. If everybody steals the games then there is no money to be made and not one damn reason to make them!

You and people like should spend some time behind bars with Boo Boo and Lester, then decide how cool stealing really is!

Just me 2 cents...
     
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post #29 of 52
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If everybody started thinking like you do... there would be no more consoles or games at all.

Console makers make money off the sale of games. If everybody steals the games then there is no money to be made and not one damn reason to make them!

You and people like should spend some time behind bars with Boo Boo and Lester, then decide how cool stealing really is!

Just me 2 cents...
Dude, piracy will not kill a gaming market.
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Although I don't entirely understand this ruling either, I do like it. I softmodded a friend's XBOX when his computer broke so he would have something to use the internet. I softmodded mine to use it as a DVD player. My brother's XBOX's Hard Drive died and I looked around for a mod chip so I would be able to replace the drive and he could play again, but I couldn't find any. There is a plethora of legal uses for mod chips and this is definitely a step in the right direction (maybe someday they will be legal in the US).
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