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I'm not sure if the odd even numbers effect heat like your were saying. If so, it's after running at load for a while. I ran at 15x200 and got hot and ran 15x201 and got just as hot.

There is no way I'm putting 1.42V on this chip without water cooling.

Now I would ask the question, is there an advantage to running my RAM at 1066 over 800, because I personally know that running at 1066 will limit the FSB.

Everyone says CPU is more important in AMD, so that is a given. Now which is more important when looking weighing a higher FSB over higher Ram freq, at the same CPU speeds?
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OK so you will know I have used mutiplier 16.5 voltage 1.53 <--high yes I know but temps were good and no jitter at nomal clock and i watched temp closely .I then down clock ram to 800 with it's voltage at 2.25 because board would not boot with 1066 .I tried to up nb vid but it wounldn't work on my Board it would set but go back to fault on auto. then I up the bus to 225 . at frist is ran quick and stable then about an hour playing call of duty 4 my screen flashed and went back to my desk top and my crossfire said it disable because something else was using it . my temps weren't bad never went over 55 .I clicked ok for the gpu recover and it seemed fine .I thought maybe driver error .Then I download prime and tried it this is all while I was at 3.7 .it paused at the star then smoothed out and about half way through it My computer restared and reloaded my default bios settings . Made my hart jump when seen a black screen for like 3 minutes.
I have tried to get to it againg and was not able to . boot windows but when ati was loading it froze and did not try to up volatge I figured it was to high. temps couldn't have done it they were almost at same temps of me running 2.99.

actual speed was 3.713
ii never up the pci express i wounder if that might of help
Edited by ZigZagFreeBurning - 6/16/08 at 12:10pm
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OK so you will know I have used mutiplier 16.5 voltage 1.53 <--high yes I know but temps were good and no jitter at nomal clock and i watched temp closely .I then down clock ram to 800 with it's voltage at 2.25 because board would not boot with 1066 .I tried to up nb vid but it wounldn't work on my Board it would set but go back to fault on auto. then I up the bus to 225 . at frist is ran quick and stable then about an hour playing call of duty 4 my screen flashed and went back to my desk top and my crossfire said it disable because something else was using it . my temps weren't bad never went over 55 .I clicked ok for the gpu recover and it seemed fine .I thought maybe driver error .Then I download prime and tried it this is all while I was at 3.7 .it paused at the star then smoothed out and about half way through it My computer restared and reloaded my default bios settings . Made my hart jump when seen a black screen for like 3 minutes.
I have tried to get to it againg and was not able to . boot windows but when ati was loading it froze and did not try to up volatge I figured it was to high. temps couldn't have done it they were almost at same temps of me running 2.99.

actual speed was 3.713
ii never up the pci express i wounder if that might of help
Congrats on 3.7, that is the current record as far as I know.

Get the board in my sig for $135. It's solid.
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I'm not sure if the odd even numbers effect heat like your were saying. If so, it's after running at load for a while. I ran at 15x200 and got hot and ran 15x201 and got just as hot.

There is no way I'm putting 1.42V on this chip without water cooling.

Now I would ask the question, is there an advantage to running my RAM at 1066 over 800, because I personally know that running at 1066 will limit the FSB.

Everyone says CPU is more important in AMD, so that is a given. Now which is more important when looking weighing a higher FSB over higher Ram freq, at the same CPU speeds?

ok you were just as hot but I bet your were more steader at 201*15 .The piont I trying to get across here is it is not the heat it is what you cpu is doing to make it. if is running program and load is let say ball park 55c and it stays there 1c up or down maybe
but if you are running again 55 full load but it jumps 55 58 53 57 so on .to me that is cycle clocking and you cpu is doing more now that just taking a load it is making one things are going so fast it can't keep up so it struggles.
I just saying if you make the stuff going trough it more easier it will not struggle as much and thus making just a little more stable.
Its not all that though ,there are setting here I don't know much about . everything has to be in sink with cpu speed because cpu dosn't have time to carry them like at a slower speed so we are try to help it as much we can. I watched AMD videos and every time they up the cpu they up htt and pci express

even though some say we shouldn't touch that stuff

lets face it when something is going fast then all a sudden it has to deal with something slow it is either going to crash in to or help that sorce pick it's pace up but it is already getting work and hard so when it can't keep everthing up to it, it is going to stop
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Congrats on 3.7, that is the current record as far as I know.

Get the board in my sig for $135. It's solid.
if do i get a board it will be true amd and the only one that is certified for that is sahppire I heard there is anoth up date coming it may help

I wish I had screen shot of it
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if do i get a board it will be true amd and the only one that is certified for that is sahppire I heard there is anoth up date coming it may help

I wish I had screen shot of it
check in AMD motherboards section, there is a guy runnin 3.0 stable for now with the DFi board There is also another few threads concering this board but havent checked em out yet
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check in AMD motherboards section, there is a guy runnin 3.0 stable for now with the DFi board There is also another few threads concering this board but havent checked em out yet
3.0 Stable is easy with this board, I just get too hot for my comfort at that.
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I'm not sure if the odd even numbers effect heat like your were saying. If so, it's after running at load for a while. I ran at 15x200 and got hot and ran 15x201 and got just as hot.

There is no way I'm putting 1.42V on this chip without water cooling.

Now I would ask the question, is there an advantage to running my RAM at 1066 over 800, because I personally know that running at 1066 will limit the FSB.

Everyone says CPU is more important in AMD, so that is a given. Now which is more important when looking weighing a higher FSB over higher Ram freq, at the same CPU speeds?

I had 1.425 on my CPU on air cooling... Idled at 50C I still couldn't boot into windows at 3ghz (15x200) with that high of volt.
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Well guys i can get it up there but I used insane voltages to get there. I got a rig that case temp never goes above 26c and even though I used a 1.56 voltage i never went over 55 on loads it was stable but never for long. I also seen this baby on water . it never went above 40 though got at higher clocks the stability is still questionable. I believe even though HTT would play a good part in the heat issues because of high band with these processors are the start of what is yet to come.
before this I built a Intel q6600 now in my closet ,while waiting on the parts for this build .The Q6600 I could get 3.6nghz to 3.7ghz and stable ,well for an over clock CPU that is . No mater what you say there is always glitches when you take something over 1000 mhz mark.
The funny thing is though is what I can't get the 9850 showed a lot of promise to me .A 2.9 ghz with out any voltage increase that is 400mhz. it almost in par with Q6600 there.If I can remember q6600 voltage was up a tinny little bit at that. So I was yha man they have a rocking CPU but over the 400 MHz you almost had to go up a notch for every 100mhz and it even didn't cycle you know like the q6600 where you could get close to to that 400mhz again with out up voltage ,but the 9850 doesn't do that.

though compared to the q6600 the gaming was sharper image wise and smoothness wise.
So with all this said I will let the 9850 rest at 2.9ghz because that is it best heat to speed ratio .

i also think something is going on here that no knows yet.I would love to have the power to look in to it for the truth. I was told that ever 9850 was patched it might be from 9950 to a 9850. On my post start up where you see the CPU id I get this CPUID:00100F3 PATCHED:ID:0065 . TO it seems odd that something like that is there.It may be the way they ID there cpus now. Who Knows. be careful over clocking this cpu it doesn't like increases in the electricity that much .So now I seen what i can do ,but now I want to play !!!
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well I lied the hell with that . I am going to set this baby where for some reason it likes that is at 14.5 * 207 @1.42 It is stable I Know that I am a little faster the Q6600 stock and pretty much even with the 6600 when it is overclocked to 3.6.
I know that the extra 500 MHz makes me rock in the games.I am happy now at 3001.5 and shows up on windows a 3.0 ghz
also I know that the thing about PCIexpress clock about it should stay where it is at ,that is crap.
IF you find your self getting in to windows for like 15 minutes or so ,mostly INTERNET explorer does this. It will make you freeze when you use a flash site our a graphical site you may find that this may help .Try putting your PCIex clock up just a little 1 MHz at a time I found 105 was good a little higher if you go past 3ghz mark. For me when I was testing my computer for over the 3.2 mark I use 115 PCIex clock and it did make a fare amount deference . Pretty much kept me stable at 3.3 ghz .
My computer doesn't shut off very much by choice and idle heat is bad . It is the hardest part of heat to control youre heat we cycle and then when you put load it will spike up high really quick but levels out at fair temp >I don't know if it is called this or not ,but I call it cycle clocking . But I find this will make your windows do a quick pause then flicker so I will keep it where that is less and that is at this speed now.It may be different for most.
I also found that the sweet spot for this in voltage is 1.42 I get the most gain out out of it.
I found ugained selected memory work better at higher clocks and actually gave better ram write scores too.I found it wasn't really noticeable at lower or default clocks.
Per voltage it is not good to under volt youre CPU to much.I know that it will do that with all power saving options but it powers everything down a bit to so it is not bad for CPU it's actually good , but you put the voltage down youre self that is bad really bad it will do more damage then over vol-ting it,Reason being you under volt or even under clocking it does the same, it runs ever thing normal but CPU is slowed down so everthing is slammed at it and it fills the cache up and can't process it fast enough and it will lock up and them lock up's are hardest to recover from because there is info left in the cache and it fills quicker every time rebooting .<--- theory I have see the results and I found it can be very difficult and what works best is clear CMOS and power down computer and un plug it and leave it for a couple of hours before powering it back up.If you have bios reset option beside ccmos use it to so to make like factory default.
I know some i my stuff on here is pretty off the wall but it is true the best way that I could explain my conclusions.

Some say I was here to get every one Else's settings and that was false .I bet you I have done more then most with this CPU and I had a few hairy times with it but I have learned allot from it. And it is where i happy with it and zoom's along enough for me right now!!! Until the new phenom 9950 and yes I have got money in for the new GFX board but I think I will go Sapphire next I heard allot of good things about it no one hardly does review on them because they got ATI pretty much rapped up >They make most of ATI boards for ati and the graphic cards to . So when get a card right from ATI ,it may have ATI's name but the boards are built mostly by sapphier.
Edited by ZigZagFreeBurning - 6/16/08 at 10:59pm
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