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That's quite a bump in VCore, you may get away with dialling back slightly. Let us know how it goes
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Well, let's just say I'm still searching for my optimal settings. I'm pretty sure I got a bad processor to OC with. Did some reading, and apparently most E6600 engineering samples with B2 stepping are fairly poor at being OC'd. The most annoying thing is that the guy that sold it to me went out of his way to say that this is a rare B1 stepping ES, which would be great for OC'ing. The thing is, I had no intention on OC'ing when I bought it, hardly even knew what he was talking about when he said the B1 stepping, but like I said, he basically totally blew smoke up my a** when it was totally unnecessary.

I have a feeling I just might have to settle with 3GHz, as I'm running out of additional things to try to maintain stability.
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Another update. I left it running all day with the following settings:

3.33GHz (9 x 370)
VCore is 1.40 in CPUz
RAM - Unlined, 800 MHz, 5-5-5-15
VFSB- 1.5
VRAM - 2.2
SPP - 1.5

I came home, and found Windows locked up, but this time at around 6 & 1/2 hours. I just bumped up the VCore 1 notch from the last setting. I think I'm going to attempt lapping my CPU and heatsink to hopefully get better temps, if I have the time this evening. I'm also considering attempting a different seating configuration of my heatsink, so that the fan pulls air upwards, into the PSU intake, because with the current configuration, my RAM fans are blocking 1/3 of the CPU fan. Alternatively, I'm considering keeping the HSF as is, and removing the RAM fans, and possibly using them elsewhere.
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Another update. I left it running all day with the following settings:

3.33GHz (9 x 370)
VCore is 1.40 in CPUz
RAM - Unlined, 800 MHz, 5-5-5-15
VFSB- 1.5
VRAM - 2.2
SPP - 1.5

I came home, and found Windows locked up, but this time at around 6 & 1/2 hours. I just bumped up the VCore 1 notch from the last setting. I think I'm going to attempt lapping my CPU and heatsink to hopefully get better temps, if I have the time this evening. I'm also considering attempting a different seating configuration of my heatsink, so that the fan pulls air upwards, into the PSU intake, because with the current configuration, my RAM fans are blocking 1/3 of the CPU fan. Alternatively, I'm considering keeping the HSF as is, and removing the RAM fans, and possibly using them elsewhere.
6.5 hours is much better! Yes, 1 notch up on vcore is what I would have done too, perfect! Go slow lapping the HDT heatpipes as I warned on copper. I would definately remove the ram fans, that 1/3 blockage could make a sizeable difference on your cpu load temps! NOT only the blockage, but the distrubed airflow just in front of the heatsink fan could be just as bad. I bet you if you clear up the airflow route to your fan and bump the vcore up you will make 3.4 stable. Once stable, I recommend droping down the FSB 1 notch booting into Windows and stress testing again. If that works, then bump down the SPP to 1.4 and do the same...but you may get stability issues here again. Just don't do them both at the same time so you know which one is the trouble maker.

As for my rig, here are my current settings:

3.0GHz (8 x 375)...I have an e6420
VCore is 1.35 in in bios, 1.32 idle/1.31 load in cpu-z......I can goto 3.2 w/1.37v +/- or 3.4 w/1.42v +/-....you should be able to hit 1ghz over your stock at lower vCore
RAM - Unlinked, 800 MHz, 5-4-4-15-2t --->What is your command rate at? Make sure it's at 2T, better for stability at 800mhz+
VFSB- 1.3...try bumping yours down like I said above once stable
VRAM - 2.1 ...@ stock, I have not OCd it yet but can go linked no probs when cpu is at 3.2ghz
SPP - 1.4...same as on the VFSB like I said

Also, you in your PM you said...
5. I did the VDROOP. In the Bios, I had it set to 1.436, and it appears as 1.40 in CPUz (0.036 drop)....You may not have gotten it right as you still have more vdroop than you should...or maybe you need to run some additional passes with the pencil. If you get too much vdroop, you can always get rid of some of the pencil marks. I have not done this yet to my board so others may have better advice for you here (check out eVGAs board again, there is a great thread on this there!).

Ok, go do some testing and let us know how it goes! Good luck and may the OC gods ride on your shoulder!!

Sorry, that was cheezy.
Edited by Qbert - 6/17/08 at 10:32pm
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Man, I'm running off of 5 hours sleep because I stayed up late last night trying to get some lower temps... this is starting to turn from being a hobby into an addiction .

So first thing's first. I attempted the different HSF direction and placement, where I was attempting to pull air up into my PSU outake, and it actually increased temps (guess the HSF was pulling air faster than the PSU could). It's quite a shame because I really preferred that placement, as it made room for much better airflow.

I didn't have time to do any lapping yet, and thanks for the head's up on lapping the V2, I'm wondering if I'm going to bother doing that at all (and if so, I'll probably be so cautious that the difference it'll make will be negligible. Better safe than sorry).

I did add a second outake fan which I hadn't taken the time to install yet. Unfortunately, due to space limitations, I have to have the generic/weaker fan (80mm) above the 92 mm Scythe Kama fan. I might see if I can find one of those fan shrouds you mentioned so I could install my Scythe S-Flex E fan as my outake fan instead. Or, even better, I am seriously thinking of buying a new case this weekend with more room, and larger/more fan intake/output holes.

I reapplied my AS5, trying to fill the valleys between the heatpipes of the V2. I also have some Arctic Cooling MX2 on hand, and didn't think it was any better than AS5 from the looks of it, but I'm beginning to read reviews which suggest it is. Guess it's a good thing I am going to be lapping my CPU tonight, since that will give me a chance to switch compounds.

I also shifted my RAM to the dual channel slots that were further away from the CPU (again, since they do the dual channels on alternating slots, we're only talking about 1 CM difference), but I reinstalled the fans on them. I'll try removing them first thing when I get home to see how much difference they make... should be interesting.

Sadly, after all my efforts, I really did not see any difference in temps, but that's without allowing the AS5 to cure, so I'm hopeful that there may have been a slight gain (which would be more apparent in time), and will be even more with my efforts tonight.

Some additional comments to your response
-I do have the RAM set to 2T
-As for the VDROOP, I used a multimeter to measure the changes I made. With it set to 200Kohms, the initial readout was 96.1. My current readout is 26. I did get it down to 14 on my first attempt, but I felt that might be too low, so I erased some and got it to my current setting. I might try bringing it lower, but I figured the most important thing to achieve that there's no fluctuation in V between idle and load, and I've achieved that, so I'm mostly content with it. However, I know some people get their VDROOP down to 0.008, so I might try to achieve that.

As for my overnight testing, instead of testing my 3.33GHz settings with the slight V increase (I did save the profile, though, so I can test it anytime), I decided to try something a little different. I went for a 3.5 GHz test (8 x 425) with 1.36 VCore. Woke up today to find the test errored after the 1 hour mark (but no lock up). I bumped it down to 3.45 GHz before leaving for work today... would be amazing to come home and find it stable!

Which does somewhat bring me back to the original inquiry I had with this thread... testing error vs locking up, what are your thoughts on this? Is one a better sign than the other? My interpretation is when Windows locks up, it could be any single factor, whereas when I get a testing error, it's just that the VCore is too low. Does that sound accurate at all?

Anyways, thanks again for taking the time to help! You've been providing me great feedback and advice. I have a feeling I'll have a stable setting before the weekend. I'll give you some rep, but if this board is like others, my post count is probably too low for it to mean anything

Edit: Wow, didn't realize I was writing a novel there.
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See my responses/attempts at humor in bold within your quote...

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Man, I'm running off of 5 hours sleep because I stayed up late last night trying to get some lower temps... this is starting to turn from being a hobby into an addiction

Yes, I went thru the same thing….just wait, it get’s much worse when you start to obsess over the minutiae of temps vs OC, GPU settings/fan speeds, disabling services for more ram available, fixing stuff showing up in Event Viewer, drivers, drivers and more drivers to test and run benchies on. Nothing like waking up in the middle of the night due to a nightmare your rig caught the house on fire due to the massive OC you just achieved (which was not entirely stable by the way). Hehehehe.

By the way, do you have XP or Vista and what type…32 or 64bit?


So first thing's first. I attempted the different HSF direction and placement, where I was attempting to pull air up into my PSU outake, and it actually increased temps (guess the HSF was pulling air faster than the PSU could). It's quite a shame because I really preferred that placement, as it made room for much better airflow.

Yeah, I have found temps are always better when the cooler is blowing out the back for me.

I didn't have time to do any lapping yet, and thanks for the head's up on lapping the V2, I'm wondering if I'm going to bother doing that at all (and if so, I'll probably be so cautious that the difference it'll make will be negligible. Better safe than sorry).

I did add a second outake fan which I hadn't taken the time to install yet. Unfortunately, due to space limitations, I have to have the generic/weaker fan (80mm) above the 92 mm Scythe Kama fan. I might see if I can find one of those fan shrouds you mentioned so I could install my Scythe S-Flex E fan as my outake fan instead. Or, even better, I am seriously thinking of buying a new case this weekend with more room, and larger/more fan intake/output holes.

I found my fan converter (80mm to 120mm) at Radio Shack (had to have it the same day…instant gratification issue). If you do get one, make sure to call ahead as their inventory system sucks, may show it available on line but store does not have. If you get a new case, talk to me about fans…you probably want something stronger cfm wise than the S-Flex E for exhaust (think S-Flex F or Slipstream 1600 rpm version).

I reapplied my AS5, trying to fill the valleys between the heatpipes of the V2. I also have some Arctic Cooling MX2 on hand, and didn't think it was any better than AS5 from the looks of it, but I'm beginning to read reviews which suggest it is. Guess it's a good thing I am going to be lapping my CPU tonight, since that will give me a chance to switch compounds.

Have you heard of/considered using OCZ Freeze? It’s gotten great reviews and cures instantly. I used both AS5 and the Freeze on my cooler and the Freeze was better by about 2C with same ambient temps (yes, I did let the AS5 cure for almost 2 weeks before I changed it out).

I also shifted my RAM to the dual channel slots that were further away from the CPU (again, since they do the dual channels on alternating slots, we're only talking about 1 CM difference), but I reinstalled the fans on them. I'll try removing them first thing when I get home to see how much difference they make... should be interesting.

Yes, let us know how it goes!

Sadly, after all my efforts, I really did not see any difference in temps, but that's without allowing the AS5 to cure, so I'm hopeful that there may have been a slight gain (which would be more apparent in time), and will be even more with my efforts tonight.

Some additional comments to your response
-I do have the RAM set to 2T
-As for the VDROOP, I used a multimeter to measure the changes I made. With it set to 200Kohms, the initial readout was 96.1. My current readout is 26. I did get it down to 14 on my first attempt, but I felt that might be too low, so I erased some and got it to my current setting. I might try bringing it lower, but I figured the most important thing to achieve that there's no fluctuation in V between idle and load, and I've achieved that, so I'm mostly content with it. However, I know some people get their VDROOP down to 0.008, so I might try to achieve that.

As for my overnight testing, instead of testing my 3.33GHz settings with the slight V increase (I did save the profile, though, so I can test it anytime), I decided to try something a little different. I went for a 3.5 GHz test (8 x 425) with 1.36 VCore. Woke up today to find the test errored after the 1 hour mark (but no lock up). I bumped it down to 3.45 GHz before leaving for work today... would be amazing to come home and find it stable!

Let us know how it goes here too!

Which does somewhat bring me back to the original inquiry I had with this thread... testing error vs locking up, what are your thoughts on this? Is one a better sign than the other? My interpretation is when Windows locks up, it could be any single factor, whereas when I get a testing error, it's just that the VCore is too low. Does that sound accurate at all?

Sorry, I’m not sure on this. But I would always prefer an error over a lockup as lockups don’t give you any info if you don’t get a BSOD…and could be anyone of many things as you say.

Anyways, thanks again for taking the time to help! You've been providing me great feedback and advice. I have a feeling I'll have a stable setting before the weekend. I'll give you some rep, but if this board is like others, my post count is probably too low for it to mean anything

Happy to help out….just passing along the knowledge/personal experience I learned here and by just tweaking crap over the last year+. Always try to get second opinions though as I still consider myself somewhat green on the more specific/techincal stuff.

Edit: Wow, didn't realize I was writing a novel there.
Yeah, keep it shorter, will ya? -jk
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First thing's first, a minor update. I called home on my lunch break, had my gf check on the status of today's testing (looks like I'm right on course for this becoming a full blown obsession!), and so far so good. Temps are at 64, but I think I'll be able to get those down a bit tonight... I think we may have a winning combination!

I'm currently running Windows 32-bit (considering picking up Vista 64-bit Ultimate when I can be bothered to drop a few bills on a new OS).

Now that you've mentioned it, I've taken the time to read up on some reviews of the OCZ Freeze. Some reviews have great results, some have marginally different results between it and the MX-2 (1 degree on load). It is sold by a computer store close by, I could take 20 mins to pop in there on my way back, but it's raining out now, so it would be a bit out of my way... I'll leave that fate up to whether or not it stops raining by the time I leave, hehe. The OCZ Vendetta came with some thermal compound in a small package... that wouldn't be OCZ Freeze, would it? The OCZ website just says it comes with "Thermal Compound" so I'm guessing that's probably just generic stuff.

Oh, and when you said that you prefer errors to lock ups, because lock ups do not give you any info, does that mean that you can extract some sort of information when ORTHOS/Prime95 gives you an error? For example, whenever I get an error, it's always on the 2nd core, and it's usually something along the lines of it returned a value higher than the value expected.
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See below...

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First thing's first, a minor update. I called home on my lunch break, had my gf check on the status of today's testing (looks like I'm right on course for this becoming a full blown obsession!), and so far so good. Temps are at 64, but I think I'll be able to get those down a bit tonight... I think we may have a winning combination!

Sweet, just be careful....gfs and computer obsessions don't mix to well unless she is cool (I got a wife, she's pretty cool most of the time except when she finds me in the office at 3am playing Oblivion).

I'm currently running Windows 32-bit (considering picking up Vista 64-bit Ultimate when I can be bothered to drop a few bills on a new OS).

Yeah, me too...especially with 4gigs of ram so it can all be addressed.

Now that you've mentioned it, I've taken the time to read up on some reviews of the OCZ Freeze. Some reviews have great results, some have marginally different results between it and the MX-2 (1 degree on load). It is sold by a computer store close by, I could take 20 mins to pop in there on my way back, but it's raining out now, so it would be a bit out of my way... I'll leave that fate up to whether or not it stops raining by the time I leave, hehe. The OCZ Vendetta came with some thermal compound in a small package... that wouldn't be OCZ Freeze, would it? The OCZ website just says it comes with "Thermal Compound" so I'm guessing that's probably just generic stuff.

Yup, it's generic stuff and I think I heard it can oxidize copper over the long run...now why whould they use something that does that? Get OCZ freeze if you can...and check out what fans & fan converters they have if/when you go to the store.

Oh, and when you said that you prefer errors to lock ups, because lock ups do not give you any info, does that mean that you can extract some sort of information when ORTHOS/Prime95 gives you an error? For example, whenever I get an error, it's always on the 2nd core, and it's usually something along the lines of it returned a value higher than the value expected.

No, just like you said in Orthos...haven't had one of those in over 8 months. You may be able to pick something out of Event Viewer, but that is usually on BSODs. What is the temp diff between your 2 cores by the way? Is core2 higher? Mine is usually only a 2C diff with core2 being the higher one.

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Heh, yeah. My gf is cool with my habits by now. Living together for the past 2 years, we've grown to accept each other's nuances. Luckily she prefers to go to bed much earlier than I which gives me plenty of time to do all my side projects and experiments (especially the ones she regularly wouldn't approve of ).

As for my core temp differences, there really isn't any. They won't always be exact, but it's more like the 2nd core slightly lags behind the first, but usually follows the same temps.
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Update: Came home, and she's still going! Looks like I've officially reached stability at 3.45 GHz! Temps are 66-67, so a little high. Going to see what I can do about that right now.

Edit: Oh, one thing I realized I did differently today was I simply did the small FFT's test, instead of the Blend test. I figured the small FFT's would stress only the CPU, and be the better test for my current OC efforts. Do you think this really matters? I'll be attempting the blend test overnight to be safe.

Also, I just removed the RAM fans, and my temps are going between 64-65, so there was some temp gain in removing them... but not quite as much as I was hoping. Every bit counts, though. Probably make a bigger difference when I can get a better air tunnel effect going.
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E6600 Conroe ES - Lapped @ 3.45GHz Asus P5Q-E (formerly XFX nForce 680i LT SLI) Sapphire Radeon HD 4870(Formerly EVGA 8800GTS 640) 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair Dominator PC8500C5DF 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
3 x Western Digital 500GB SATA-II Pioneer DVR-212D & DVR-215 Windows XP (32-bit) LG Flatron L1751S 
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Toughpower 650W Thermaltake Soprano RS 
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