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I think I was misunderstood. Yes it is legit to benchmark the 280 and the GX2. What I am refereeing to is the fact that I keep seeing people type that if it cannot beat the GX2 it is a waste. Yes I am para phrasing and such but I hope I am clearer. In a nut shell if someone is like "that card is crap because it is trumped by the GX2 is WAYYYY off base. This card is in a different class.
They are both flagships... both are the most expensive and powerful cards of their generation, how are they in different classes? And don't pull the crap about single gpu/dual gpu on me, it's a SINGLE card, that's what counts.
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Let's refrain from comparing the GX2 to the GTX280. It's a bit asanine. Since when do we compare the next gen card, to SLI'd flagships from the previous generation? It just doesn't make sense. Did we compare the 8800GTX to 2 x 7800GTX SLI? No. So why would people compare the GTX280 to two 9800GTXs (aka 9800GX2).

When Nvidia comes out with the GX2-280, then you can compare. Though I do think that they should drop the price of that card into the 550-600 range.
But, people DID compair the 7950GX2 to the 8800GTX, so compairing the GTX 280 to the GX2 is perfectly fine.
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I don't think you can compare the two if you disregard the price. However as the GX2 is a bit cheaper, you can't not include it in discussions. This monster gpu is clearly on par with the 2 g92 cores on the GX2 and as always, new drivers will squeeze a little bit more performance out of it.

We shouldn't count the Tri-SLI scores as Quad SLI had worse scores than a single GX2 on the release day.
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Yup, and that comment is where I think the author lost all credibility on this subject. He became a fanboy with that statement.

What?! Comparing it to the performance of two card is perfectly legitmate. People need to know how much their money will get them and SLI of one card could very well be more cost-effective than a single card of another model. And it is Nvidia's high-end card of their "new" generation so being thought of as needing to be top-of-the-line comes with the territory, though their flagship card remains the 9800GX2. Furthermore, their pricing puts them near the cost of a 9800GX2.

Does anyone see Nvidia's countless G92 rehashes as lame? Thinking about buying one of these new cards makes me feel like I were buying a used car from a guy who I had just seen driving that same car backwards through town to run down the mileage and pass it off as newer, only to have him say "See! Brand new!" while pointing at the odometer.
My friend if you think that Guru3d doesn't have credibility then you really need to have your head checked.....the reviews on that site are top notch, and it's the best site for graphics related software.

I completely agree about the dual GPU aspect though. The bottom line for card purchasing isn't what specs the card's have, how many GPUs, etc. It's purely FPS/$ and that's IT. You don't buy a graphics card to have the greatest FPS/GPU........
I think anyone who argues this is being short sighted. Eventually GPUs have nowhere to go but multiple.......next step is two on one die.
Edited by binormalkilla - 6/16/08 at 8:11pm
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I think I was misunderstood. Yes it is legit to benchmark the 280 and the GX2. What I am refereeing to is the fact that I keep seeing people type that if it cannot beat the GX2 it is a waste. Yes I am para phrasing and such but I hope I am clearer. In a nut shell if someone is like "that card is crap because it is trumped by the GX2 is WAYYYY off base. This card is in a different class.
If the GX2 is cheaper, then we should be able to compare it to this new card which is at least $150 more. Honestly, I don't care if a card has 1 GPU, 2 GPUs, or 9000 GPU's, I want the best performance for my money and if this card is HARDLY better than a card that is $150 cheaper, I see no reason to buy it.
Edited by CaBo0sE - 6/18/08 at 3:54pm
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At the moment, with the games that are out currently, UNLESS you have a very large monitor, this card doesn't make a lot of sense at it's current price. But I GUARANTEE you as time goes by, this card is going to show it's strength more and more vs. a GX2 due to having double the memory and double the memory bandwidth.

The GTX280 I promise you will be far more future proof than a GX2. Is it worth the price premium for that? Maybe, maybe not. Time, as they say, will tell. A big part of this question is basically unanswerable because we don't know for sure what the memory requirements on future games (within the GTX280's effective lifespan) are gonna look like. We also don't know an individual buyer's money situation, nor what games/settings/resolutions potential buyer's want to play on.

People, seriously, you should all have noticed by now that you always pay extra to have 'the best', and top of the line NEVER works out to have the best price/perf ratio, really, like, EVER.

And furthermore, if y'all keep expecting EVERY new generation card to be the equal of the jump that the 8800GTX achieved over the 7900 series, YOU WILL continue to be disappointed. That card was a 'once in a decade' kind of advancement. Those of us who've been around this industry for awhile know better than to expect what most of you noobs around here seem to expect.

There literally has NEVER been a jump like what the 8800GTX did vs. the previous gen EVER. Not since 3d cards were first INVENTED.

If YOU don't feel it's worth it FOR YOU, then DON'T BUY ONE. But don't try to bag on this card purely based on price/perf, cause the top of the line NEVER looks good on that basis. Even the 8800GTX was similarly overpriced when it came out people.

I, for one, find the card's performance very impressive. It's admittedly a bit overpriced, based on it's performance on TODAYS games, but that is not unexpected with a card that *should* be extremely future-proof.

If you want the best, you're gonna have to pay for it. And believe me a bunch of people WILL.
    
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On the games I play, at 19900 X 1200, it is no better than the current setup in the sig rig, which cost me $350. Versus $600, I don't see the advantage, sure I could go SLI and whomp what I ahve but then again I would be spending close to 4 times the amount. meh. Try again Nvidia.
    
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Everytime I look at WiC benchmarks and it baffles me wth is wrong with that game.

This card may be future proof, but if you're gonna buy a card now, might as well be something like a GX2 or an 8800 Ultra.

Think about this for a moment, buy this card now and you'll be future proof. But what about later cards that come out during this "future" moment when the GTX280 is actually good? Won't those cards be BETTER?
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They are both flagships... both are the most expensive and powerful cards of their generation, how are they in different classes? And don't pull the crap about single gpu/dual gpu on me, it's a SINGLE card, that's what counts.
It's a single card is NOT a valid argument, they are different classes.

Nvidia releases a card, then later on releases a Dual GPU version. They did this with the 7900 series, 8800series (9800 is an 8800), and now with the G200 series.

It's 2 totally separate cards on 1 board, there is separate memory, and the data goes through an SLI connector just like 2 cards.

The difference between SLI and single card is very big. The 9800GX2 doesn't really give a smooth gameplay experience, there is micro stuttering and the lowest FPS can drop quite low.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is just because you bolt on 2 cards onto 1 board doesn't make it comparable to 1 card.

You say that both are the most powerful cards of their generation, but the most powerful card of the G200 generation will be, you guessed it, the GTX280 X2.
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It's a single card is NOT a valid argument, they are different classes.

Nvidia releases a card, then later on releases a Dual GPU version. They did this with the 7900 series, 8800series (9800 is an 8800), and now with the G200 series.

It's 2 totally separate cards on 1 board, there is separate memory, and the data goes through an SLI connector just like 2 cards.

The difference between SLI and single card is very big. The 9800GX2 doesn't really give a smooth gameplay experience, there is micro stuttering and the lowest FPS can drop quite low.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is just because you bolt on 2 cards onto 1 board doesn't make it comparable to 1 card.

You say that both are the most powerful cards of their generation, but the most powerful card of the G200 generation will be, you guessed it, the GTX280 X2.
who cares... i dont care if the card has 1 or 4 dies. i want the card that will give me the best performance for the money. and right now 9800x2 looks pretty good against the 280.

even if 280 goes 280x2, cost will jump horrendously and would not be an attractive buy.
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