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I have to say, backtrack is the shiz, but it doesnt have enough normal stuff. I suppose i could just install it. My main motive for going to linux was to learn more about networking and security & to make myself feel smart. As far as normal computer-y stuff like browsing email and gaming goes, thats for windows. At the moment im messing about w/slackware but havent had the chance to install it yet.
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BT is primarily for networking/security not really for internet browsing or playing games.. , and most of the time it is simply run off the live cd. I wouldn't actually recommend installing it, because If ind it easier to just use the LiveCD, and with BT's little LiveCD creator thing, you can add your own modules to it and create your own BT livecd with your scripts etc, on it. It makes it much easier for when you need a few different things for different jobs.

I like slackware, because it is a normal distro, but more user interface is required, rather than Ubuntu's automated-ness (Am I a hypocrite? Don't look in my sig )
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I completely dissagree. Im sorry but Ubuntu is just as powerfull as any other distro. Sometimes i wonder why people bash Ubuntu as being too user friendly. YOU CAN BE A POWER USER in ubuntu. It is designed to bring Linux to the masses. Is it really so bad if joe shmoe wants to play with linux because he is tired of all the windows crap. I know YOU are not bashing ubuntu but i guess i just see alot of post about how ubuntu is not a real distro and all that mess.
I'm reasonable sure that its been said before but Ubuntu 8.xx is like vista re-skinned. My view of linux is like a two headed dragon, with both heads trying to bite the other off. One being composed of the power users who (im only assuming) want linux to be as powerful as possible, with as little user-friendlyness as possible. The other is comprised of the people who have shunned windows mac whatever and want an alternative thats friendly as possible.
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Oh yeah, totally. 'Buntu can be a power-user environment, hell I use it and I'm in the terminal constantly, that's why it's my desktop background

However, I have found through meticulous study of human nature, that if an easier option is presented, more often than not, it is used. 'Buntu is great in that aspect-- if you ever run into an error by trying something the hard way, you can just do it the easy way... You don't relay learn anything that way, though. It's also great because it is a distribution of Linux, meaning you can still fool around with everything, but you have more automated options.

Reiterating, you cna totally be a power user in 'Buntu, it may just be easier to learn more in another distro that doesn't have so many automated features, then switch to a more automated one, knowing you have the knowledge to do it the hard way... if you still really want to

Plus, by not requiring you to do it the hard way, many times I am forced to say to myself "Let's try it the hard way to see if I still remember how to do it." And if I don't I just look it up, then I remember again. Really, I love 'Buntu, that's why I use it. I just think I had a better choice when I decided ot learn on Slackware 12, then move to 'Buntu... Ok, I lied, I started on Ubuntu, then decided I wanted to learn more by doing, rather than reading, and found Slackware's "force you into doing it the hard way" methodology worked really well
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Personally I think that once you understand the system, distro like slackware and arch are really very easy to use b/c they never get in your way.
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I just downloaded both Knoppix 5.1 , and Ubuntu latest version. I have messed with knoppix before , when I was trying to haxx wifi lol , didnt get far at all (3 plus years ago). Ubuntu is new to me but my question , why do people like linux over windows? Im running both on live cd , and I just cant see myself jumping ship , maybe I need more exposure to it. Ive never messed with konsole or terminal or whatever , is that like the cmd prompt in windows? I just dont get what people see with linux , someone , show me the light.
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I can't really explain why I like it better. I recommend you just trying to force yourself into using it for a while, and see what you think.

Once you get accustomed to it, you will feel the same way. Linux doesn't hold you back. Many times people who use windows feel like they get more than enough out of it, which is generally true. Most people don't do much more than play games, browse the net and watch stuff. Linux broadens the horizons, while shrinking them. The latter refers to the lack of support it gets. Want to game? That's too bad, linux isn't the place. I found that once I was done with hardcore gaming, I was done with windows. I still play CSS, and games like that, but those can be run relatively efficiently through WINE.

Linux is not for everyone, by no means. If you want to learn about computers in a very in-depth way, a way that allows you to interface with the Kernel, rather than only your Desktop Manager (like windows) and do pretty much whatever you want... build a new operating system, build support for games , whatever you want.

I know I'm ranting, but you can pretty much do anything.... As a windows user, you don't realize it. When I thought about that, I said to myself "Do anything? What more is there to do? lol?" You'll be surprised. Use it for a while. Use only Linux for a bit, unless you really need to get that gaming fix, and you will be hooked. If not, then that's not a big deal at all. Windows is fine

Tbh, a large factor in my switching form Windows to Linux was the eye-candy Compiz-fusion was like "Oh my god. I need that." I got over that really quickly though, and found that I'm doing most of my work in the shell.

I really want to iterate on the learning part of it... but I don't know how. You will be forced to learn Linux if you should use it. It's not something for an average net surfer to use and be productive with.. You must be willing to learn about this stuff. If you're not previously really interested in computers, I assume you are since you're on this forum, or you just want to learn how to do some cool tricks to impress your friends and don't want to learn more intense things, I wouldn't recommend it.

Still really hard to explain... Please just give it a try to find out. You'll never know how great / sucky it is until you try it for a bit. Other people's opinions should not be constituted as sufficient, when you have no proof.
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QFT

Slackware is where it's at if you want to learn the hard way.

BTW, I'm also going to college for Networking/Security, and I'm a big time fan of Backtrack it is the security suite. I use it everyday.
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For the more beginner-ish side of things: Suse, Fedora, Debian

If you want to dive right in with the powerful stuff: Debian, FreeBSD, Gentoo, Slackware, Arch.

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Suse though I think you have to pay for Suse now but don't quote me on that.
You CAN pay for Suse. If you want. If you pay, you get everything on a dual-layer DVD (which I think sucks because they're slow) plus 90 days of phone support.

I highly recommend taking the free route:

http://software.opensuse.org/

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I completely dissagree. Im sorry but Ubuntu is just as powerfull as any other distro. Sometimes i wonder why people bash Ubuntu as being too user friendly. YOU CAN BE A POWER USER in ubuntu. It is designed to bring Linux to the masses. Is it really so bad if joe shmoe wants to play with linux because he is tired of all the windows crap. I know YOU are not bashing ubuntu but i guess i just see alot of post about how ubuntu is not a real distro and all that mess.
True.
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If you want to dive right in with the powerful stuff: Debian, FreeBSD, Gentoo, Slackware, Arch.
This route is the best.

And since you are gonna major in networks, you may want to try out Redhat as well. A lot of corps use it.
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