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That's a good question. I'm not sure what my friends 22" monitor will allow. I will primarily be playing AoC, for now, but wouldn't want any limits based on one game. I'm also not sure what will look good on the 22", and may upgrade to a larger lcd later on. I could throw out a number, but it would be a total guess.

Another note regarding psu's. Are multi rail psu's necessary? I've read somewhere that they are not any better, and in fact may be worse than single rail. Here's one link.
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/
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That's a good question. I'm not sure what my friends 22" monitor will allow. I will primarily be playing AoC, for now, but wouldn't want any limits based on one game. I'm also not sure what will look good on the 22", and may upgrade to a larger lcd later on. I could throw out a number, but it would be a total guess.

Another note regarding psu's. Are multi rail psu's necessary? I've read somewhere that they are not any better, and in fact may be worse than single rail. Here's one link.
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/
22" Widescreen LCDs max out at 1680x1050. If you will be getting a 24" later on, I suggest getting either the 260 or waiting for the 4870(much cheaper)

Regarding multi-rail PSUs, they aren't better, but they aren't worse either. It is in my opinion that single rail PSUs are easier to use because you don't have to balance the load across your rails. If you get the 260, you need atleast 20a on the +12v rail. The HD4870 should only need 14-15a.

On a side note: PC Power & Cooling is the leader when it comes to quality and reliability in the PSU market. Unfortunately they are real jerks and will do anything to make people buy their products, including spreading false propaganda.
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holy wowwwwzzaaa...just saw a couple of HD4850 reviews....off the chart stuff!!! get one at newegg for $170 after MIR
    
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That's a good question. I'm not sure what my friends 22" monitor will allow. I will primarily be playing AoC, for now, but wouldn't want any limits based on one game. I'm also not sure what will look good on the 22", and may upgrade to a larger lcd later on. I could throw out a number, but it would be a total guess.
If you stick with a 22/24" LCD chances are you'll have 1680x1200 at best, so my advice would be a Radeon 4850. According to the reviews it's an amazing card that challenges the GTX 260 for 1/2 the price.


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Another note regarding psu's. Are multi rail psu's necessary? I've read somewhere that they are not any better, and in fact may be worse than single rail. Here's one link.
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/
There is really no difference at all. For one I like the single rail PSUs because they are more convenient: on multirail PSUs you have to identify the cables that belong to each rail and tag them; then you have to compute the amount of power consumed by each component, so that you don't accidently load one phase too much (say it takes 200w and you put 250w on one phase and 150w on another).

People say multirails are better. Since I work with people that develop such power electronic circuits like high wattage PSUs, I can tell you it's total bull, a single rail can hold up 800W no sweat with the current technology. It all comes down to the quality of the build, not the number of rails.

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If you stick with a 22/24" LCD chances are you'll have 1680x1200 at best, so my advice would be a Radeon 4850. According to the reviews it's an amazing card that challenges the GTX 260 for 1/2 the price.
If you mean the 4850, then yes, it's half the price of the 260, but only gives 75-80% of the performance. The HD4870 should be neck and neck with the 260 if not faster for $300.
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People say multirails are better. Since I work with people that develop such power electronic circuits like high wattage PSUs, I can tell you it's total bull, a single rail can hold up 800W no sweat with the current technology. It all comes down to the quality of the build, not the number of rails.

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I agree, marketing BS, it all comes from 1 12v rectifier inside the magical box so... Its bs I also wanted to voice concern over the psu get something stonger, you know once you get involved and you might become obsessed so save yourself in the long run get a rock solid psu with more power and if you decide to run multiple gfx cards or something in the future you wont be spending cash on a new psu again too.
    
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What do you think of either of these for my system or can anyone recommend one? I may want to add a second vid card for xfire, but not sure if that's a wise thought. Also, is there a decent psu estimator out there that most people use? I used the one on the Asus site and bumped it's result slightly to be safe.

PSU: PC Power & Cooling PPCS750QBL Silencer 750W. $135 - non-modular is a negative imho.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703019

or Antec TPQ-850 850W. $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371009
Edited by mchef - 6/20/08 at 10:39am
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What do you think of either of these for my system or can anyone recommend one? I may want to add a second vid card for xfire, but not sure if that's a wise thought. Also, is there a decent psu estimator out there that most people use? I used the one on the Asus site and bumped it's result slightly to be safe.

PSU: PC Power & Cooling PPCS750QBL Silencer 750W. $135 - non-modular is a negative imho.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703019

or Antec TPQ-850 850W. $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371009
PC Power and Cooling is the leader in PSU quality and reliability.

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Remember when using this, to add in an extra 150w for overclocking and power ripples.
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i think for midrange, corsair is pretty good too, PCP&P is very noisy ive heard. for a 750watter id recommend the Corsair TX-750.
    
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