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Just wondering if any of you folks are running any SATA or SCSI RAID setups with External controllers.

If so, were you able to benchmark before and afters? I've seen benchmarks that show external is the way to go.

For budget purposes, can anyone recommend a card under $150?

Thanks in advance.
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External RAID/SATA controller? Do you mean Network Attached Storage? If so, they're very expensive and limited to the connection they use. Internal controller would outperform them.
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External RAID/SATA controller? Do you mean Network Attached Storage? If so, they're very expensive and limited to the connection they use. Internal controller would outperform them.
No. I really do mean external SATA Raid or SCSI Raid!

An external controller is not physically external in contrast to an external HD, instead, it's a controller that runs on, in this case, a PCI bus.
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No. I really do mean external SATA Raid or SCSI Raid!

An external controller is not physically external in contrast to an external HD, instead, it's a controller that runs on, in this case, a PCI bus.
Oh, you mean an internal discrete RAID controller with external SATA, eSATA, SAS, or SCSI ports? Performance of internal vs external ports are close to identical.

PCI bus would limit any benefit of a controller card so it would be moot to get one solely for performance.
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Oh, you mean an internal discrete RAID controller with external SATA, eSATA, SAS, or SCSI ports? Performance of internal vs external ports are close to identical.

PCI bus would limit any benefit of a controller card so it would be moot to get one solely for performance.
That's it.

That's a fair statement, but do you have any proof? I've seen different and am looking for 1st hand experience.
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That's it.

That's a fair statement, but do you have any proof? I've seen different and am looking for 1st hand experience.
Proof that an interal port performs identical to an external port (assuming on the same controller)?

They generally use the same protocol, same controller, same connector, etc. There is no difference. If anything, an external port would perform worse due to higher probability of EMI and error due longer cable runs.

If you are talking about the PCI limitation... PCI 32-bit/33MHz is a 133MB/s shared bus. Any other device on it would reduce total avaliable bandwidth and hurt performance by throwing interrupts. While you may not have any addin cards, onboard audio/NIC/USB/Firewire/Serial are often on PCI internally.
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Most RAID cards going into servers are on a 100/133 PCI-X or 4/8 PCI-E Bus
and also ya get Fibre channel (Optical) connections for the external part!

All VERY expensive stuff!!
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Sorry, maybe I'm not clarifying.

Basically, instead of using the onboard controller to control throughput to the HD, use a controller card that uses the PCI bus instead.

Another analogy, we purchase video cards because onboard video competes too much with resources.

I think I saw the article in MaximumPC where an external controller card (what I'm calling it) had better benches than the onboard HD controller.
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Sorry, maybe I'm not clarifying.

Basically, instead of using the onboard controller to control throughput to the HD, use a controller card that uses the PCI bus instead.

Another analogy, we purchase video cards because onboard video competes too much with resources.

I think I saw the article in MaximumPC where an external controller card (what I'm calling it) had better benches than the onboard HD controller.
Ok, you want a discrete smart RAID controller. Any good one requires an onboard processor and memory. Otherwise, they are host-based and use your CPU for calculations (just like onboard).

However, check the MaximumPC review and notice that none of the cards reviewed are PCI. The limitations of the PCI were explained above. Good RAID cards use either PCI-X (server only) or PCIe (desktop/server) slots.
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Ok, you want a discrete smart RAID controller. Any good one requires an onboard processor and memory. Otherwise, they are host-based and use your CPU for calculations (just like onboard).

However, check the MaximumPC review and notice that none of the cards reviewed are PCI. The limitations of the PCI were explained above. Good RAID cards use either PCI-X (server only) or PCIe (desktop/server) slots.
Yeah I definitely could've missed that (PCI-X).

Appreciate the input.
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