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Now, before I get into this I’m going to let you know that I understand as far as specifications and features go, the GTX 280 is a bit of a technical masterpiece. We should also begin to see the card shine in the next few weeks as drivers are available that can make use of these technologies. With that said though, we probably won’t see that much of an increase in raw performance numbers in most games over what the card is already capable of. Personally I feel that NVIDIA has made a few missteps on the way to the GTX 280, and today I’m going to let you know what I think they are.

The mistake ball started rolling at the release of the G92 core; NVIDIAs decision to release the G92 and then use names that already existed did nothing but confuse people. There should never have been a 512MB 8800 GTS, and really, there shouldn’t have been an 8800 GT either. But hey, we love that card so we don’t want to be too cruel to it.

If that wasn’t confusing enough, as these cards were getting released, word of the new 9 series was getting out. “WOW, the 9 series!â€, everyone thought to themselves. The thing is, when the 9 series was released NVIDIA would have surely had a fair idea on where the GT 200 was heading as far as performance. The 9800 GTX quickly became an excellent piece of kit because it offered excellent performance at a very good price point. The GX2, while not offering the same value was in most cases always faster and had the title of the fastest gaming graphics card on the market.

We all know however that one day before the new 9 series were released, word started leaking everywhere about the new GT 200 based cards coming out along with the massive gains that were going to be achieved from it. To be completely honest, I’m surprised we haven’t heard rampant rumors on the chip after GT 200 leading up to its release with promises of 200%+ performance increases.

The thing is that the people who review these cards and the people who buy them are gamers; they’re the market you need to be aiming to please. I was looking forward to the release of the GTX 280 as I was hoping it would pull me away from my consoles and get me stuck into some high res gaming with some ultra smooth FPS. I was wrong, so very very wrong.

The thing is though, I’ve tested the HD 4850, and what’s interesting is that the card is going to be a mid-range solution. But in Crossfire? - Wow! - With the amount of people who have CF boards as well, thanks to the Intel CPU and chipset being the products of choice, this is going to be a great solution.

With that said though, it’s not ground breaking performance in the sense that it’s pushing out numbers we haven’t seen before. See, I’m probably not allowed to say this, but it helps me put my point across a bit better. The GTX 280 is slower than a pair of CrossFired 4850s for the most part; it’s also $250 AUD dearer. The price on the HD 4850 in AUD is around $250, so $500 for a pair while the GTX 280 is starting at $750. So, a pair of 4850s isn’t enough to drag me away from my consoles, but the 4870s should if the 4850 is anything to go by. The best thing about them however is that the value these cards will offer is nothing short of astonishing.

NVIDIA released the G92 core to slow down ATI. Honestly though, could ATI slow down any more? In the process all they did was completely screw with the release of the GTX 280. A few things should have happened with this card.

Firstly, the 9 series should have never been released and I’m pretty sure that the 8800 GT and 8800 GTS 512MB should have never been released due to the huge amount of confusion it caused.

Secondly, since NVIDIA did release the G92 cards in multiple revisions (8800/9800) they should have made the GTX 280 either significantly faster or significantly cheaper. If the card launched at $200 less, it would be a lot more attractive.

Is the fact that NVIDIA harnessed the power of a GX2 (for the most part) into a single core a good thing? - Yes, absolutely. However, the bottom line is that we wanted that power and then 40% more; not just myself, but in speaking for gamers all over the world.

As frustrated at NVIDIA as I am, who has really annoyed me is ATI. The fact that the NDA has been pushed back is just killing me. Knowing the results on the HD 4850 has completely changed my outlook on the GTX 280. At the moment, a lot of review websites have compared the GTX 280 to the 9800 GX2 and they see the performance being similar with a single core, then they see the new technology that’s implemented into the card and find it all to be pretty amazing. Performance talks though, and if these people had seen the HD 4850 run in CrossFire, I don’t doubt that their opinion on the cards would have likely changed.
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LOL...ati is always few steps behind...got the qualiti and the power but those guys silmply don`t push as hard as they should, 50% of nVidia`s power is in strong marketing moves...
    
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Good read, ATi could really grab some market share if 2x4850's beat a GTX280.
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isnt this guy openly violating the NDA on the 4850? if what he is saying is right, the 4850 could be THE card to get. this really could go ati's way, everyones waiting a few weeks for the gtx280's price to fall before they buy one, and by then if 4850/4870 comes out and smashes the gtx280 numbers (with a crossfire setup ofcourse) then a lot of people might head the other way.
    
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Licking my lips at the prospect of 4850/4870's in Xfire
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I haven't even considered thinking about getting a GTX 200 card. For me, having an Intel board already, I would seriously love to have 2 x 4870 in CF
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If you can wait, the RV770's will be really great I think, ATi are holding back a bit for a reason, they want to see what happens in the first few weeks of the GTX 280's release, it may aid them with price points if they havnt been decided yet, which they probably have.

Looking at reviews the 4850 is a great card, so....bring on the 4870!.
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I haven't even considered thinking about getting a GTX 200 card. For me, having an Intel board already, I would seriously love to have 2 x 4870 in CF
But you have a P35... that means you have PCIe 1.1 x16/x4 or x8/x8 slots. 4870 would be bottlenecked on anything less than an equivalent x9 or x10 slot.
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But you have a P35... that means you have PCIe 1.1 x16/x4 or x8/x8 slots. 4870 would be bottlenecked on anything less than an equivalent x9 or x10 slot.
even so the 2nd videocard helps, even on p35 boards.
x38, x48 were the star motherboards and p45 is now the board of choice, safe to say most people can crossfire now.
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Overall the article made a few mediocre points, but felt more like a meandering opinion piece than anything else...

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Firstly, the 9 series should have never been released and I’m pretty sure that the 8800 GT and 8800 GTS 512MB should have never been released due to the huge amount of confusion it caused.
I agree the 9 series should have never been released, but the 8800GT and 8800GTS were great cards for nvidia and enthusiasts, alike. Perhaps 8900gt/8850gt and 8900gts/8850gts would have been a more appropriate naming convention?

Nvidia should have never made GT200 or for that matter 9800GTX(G92) @ the 65nm node, they should have made the 9800GTX @ 55nm and if that was a success moved the GT200 to 55nm as well. We'll see if the die shrink @ 55nm can reign in temps and/or boost shader/core clocks; but overall I'm not impressed. $600+, I'll pass.
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