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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
But you have a P35... that means you have PCIe 1.1 x16/x4 or x8/x8 slots. 4870 would be bottlenecked on anything less than an equivalent x9 or x10 slot.
Where'd you come by this information?
I'd like to see it.
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LOL...ati is always few steps behind...got the qualiti and the power but those guys silmply don`t push as hard as they should, 50% of nVidia`s power is in strong marketing moves...
Most games are nvidia optimized. They have their logo plastered on everything, and benchmarks reflect this. Bigger company means more money to spend on marketing. I remember when the 19xx series were dominant, most people still thought nvidia cards were superior simply because they have a more aggressive marketing edge. Its always the case of the underdog vs the big guy.
    
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Where'd you come by this information?
I'd like to see it.
Its been proven, maybe you should go look for yourself, you might learn something.
    
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Where'd you come by this information?
I'd like to see it.
There was review showing that the 8800GTX was being slightly limited on a 8x PCIe 1.x slot. I extrapolated the performance of the newer cards.





NVIDIA release quite a few cards based on the G92 core. They should have just moved all of G92 to the 9-series.

9600GT = 9600GT
8800GS/9600GS0 = 9800GS
8800GT = 9800GT
8800GTS-512 = 9800GTS
9800GTX = 9800GTX
9800GX2 = 9800GX2
GTX 280 = 9900GTX
GTX 260 = 9900GTS
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i say bottlenecks are overhyped - i'm crossfiring anyways, and i have a P35 board (in my other rig)

i agreed with that article though
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i say bottlenecks are overhyped - i'm crossfiring anyways, and i have a P35 board (in my other rig)

i agreed with that article though
Huh?

A CPU bottleneck is overhyped while a bus bottleneck is not. You can adjust load to improve image quality and experience with a CPU bottleneck. That means you can get more of your video cards even with the bottleneck so you still can gain.

A bus bottleneck means that your system cannot access the full power of your video card. There is nothing that can be done. Therefore, you are wasting a percentage of your video card that you can't get unless you get a new motherboard. That would mean you wasted money.

i.e. It is pointless to spend $650 for a GTX280 in a x4 PCIe slot when getting a $100 9600GT would have given you the exact same performance.
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Its been proven, maybe you should go look for yourself, you might learn something.
I posted that with the intention of learning something, not everyone on the internet is out to prove themselves somehow better than others. I myself have 8x/8x lanes in SLi, and was wondering if I'd experience bottlenecks as a result with future GPU upgrades. I haven't seen any proof, but I'm sure I haven't read as much about it as Duckieho, hence asking him.


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There was review showing that the 8800GTX was being slightly limited on a 8x PCIe 1.x slot. I extrapolated the performance of the newer cards...
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post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
There was review showing that the 8800GTX was being slightly limited on a 8x PCIe 1.x slot. I extrapolated the performance of the newer cards.





NVIDIA release quite a few cards based on the G92 core. They should have just moved all of G92 to the 9-series.

9600GT = 9600GT
8800GS/9600GS0 = 9800GS
8800GT = 9800GT
8800GTS-512 = 9800GTS
9800GTX = 9800GTX
9800GX2 = 9800GX2
GTX 280 = 9900GTX
GTX 260 = 9900GTS
Erm... I'm glad they started a whole new product line. The 99xx series is a bad idea from the start. Their starting a radical new core desgin, along with some major changes in the card, so you would think they should start a new line. They have said it themselvs that they have to simplify it.

Most of your list is correct, but I would but the 2xx GTX cards where they are right now, and not as the 99xx series.
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But you have a P35... that means you have PCIe 1.1 x16/x4 or x8/x8 slots. 4870 would be bottlenecked on anything less than an equivalent x9 or x10 slot.

Aren't the two Crossfire Bridges helping in 16x/4x PCIEx Systems ?
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Nvidia is in trouble...

They don't have board support from Intel and their cards are way to expensive to make. They would love to sell the cards for a cheaper price but after shooting themselves in the foot over the past 8 months, they have a card that is super expensive to produce performing terrible vs. a much cheaper solution.

Short sell Nvidia stock it is going to go through the floor.
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