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Originally Posted by FearMeansControl View Post
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I agree with the sentiment: 99% of users do not overclock. probably 70% are upgrading from a 423 Pentium 4 or earlier. They've had their computers this long, their likely planning to keep their next purchases just as long, if not longer.. EITHER processor is a strong choice, so hopefully they can read threads like this and ask themselves what aspects of usage are more important to them
I have a fan

However indeed. Normal users will never want the hassle of overclocking anyway. Yes I am not speaking in the terms of the users here as we have already covered that but in the outside world alot of people do not overclock. Thus a good stock performance is all they will ever need.

However yes for enthusiasts this may not be good enough

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I don't get it, why are you getting so pissy when someone says that intel might have the better product right now? I don't get it, I see you make a valid point and others concede to the valid point but when others make a valid point you say it's intel fanboys?

Yes, it does seem that at stock the 8750 is a competent choice for games but the Q6600 is also in the same price range and should be better at not just games but all the other apps that the phenom did not do so well in. There's no much room to argue with that without resorting to namecalling and other unbecoming behavior.
Dude you have gotten the wrong end of the stick. I am annoyed about the whole ''FAIL'' sentiment. Not that Intel can beat AMD. I couldnt actually care less lol. You are looking at a non fanboy through and through. I also dont recall targeting anyone and calling them names. I am a little lost to where you got that info.
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Originally Posted by HugeDink View Post
It doesn't matter man... the only games the E8400 can beat the 8750 in are games that would be playable on both processors.

AMD pulls ahead in benchmarks where its needed, like Crysis, and Supreme Commander. and it will only get better as more and more games become multi-threaded

Really, who cares if games like Half-Life 2 get 50 more FPS on the E8400? both procs are going to give you at LEAST 30 fps no matter what.
But were the results from ExtremeTech accurate? They seem off to me. (Though I may very well be mistaken) I'd like to see some benches from people here on OCN who own the specific HW in question(8750 + e8400), I prefer user based results/reviews.

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Crysis has built in CPU and GPU benchmarks and we will run both benchmarks at medium global setting with 0AA and 0AF. We ran the 64bit version of the benchmark at 1280x1024 resolution with the Crysis Benchmark Tool from Guru3D.
[SOURCE]

Maybe I missed it, but ET never even mentioned what resolution they were using to conduct their benchmarks.

Edited by MasterKromm - 6/18/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Wow...how original with the ''Fail'' comment. What is it with people and ''Fail'' ?. Lack of vocab ?....or just because its the ''In'' word ?.
LOL! sigged!

PS: I know I'm guilty of it too but, not like them.

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Im confuzzled, shouldnt 3 cores > 2 cores even at a lower speed, however this aint the case and the phenom was only a small amount ahead in a smaller amount of area's. I dont get the good and oh go AMD comments sorry.
Don't forget that E8400 is relatively faster (3.0 vs 2.4GHz)
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I have no doubt that the tri-core amd is a solid contender, but that is an e8400 at stock clocks. Everybody knows that these processors overclock like monsters and I have mine from 3.0 to 3.6 at stock voltages. Lets see a comparison where both cpu's are put to their limits and then I will be impressed. As for now I still will say the e8400 is the better buy.
We all know this...no need to elaborate. Consider how many gamers don't overclock and then it becomes clear that this is a great value CPU. Good on ya AMD.
    
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You say that most people who buy these don't overclock, but how many of them use those same computers for just gaming only? You are being too selective to make the review fit your argument. You can't fully determine the value of each of those processors without encompassing it's entire user base. I could argue that most people who buy these cpu's see more time in real applications, where the E8400 busted the Phenoms tail, and not games. Like I said, you have to account for the entire range of usage that processor will encounter.
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Dude you have gotten the wrong end of the stick. I am annoyed about the whole ''FAIL'' sentiment. Not that Intel can beat AMD. I couldnt actually care less lol. You are looking at a non fanboy through and through. I also dont recall targeting anyone and calling them names. I am a little lost to where you got that info.

My bad, I don't think I quoted the right post. My main beef is that you made and extremely smart and valid point about the vast majority of people running stock and that a good stock contendor should be as, if not more, important that a good overclocker, and then for no reason you follow up all that intelligence with a complete brain turd of a comment about intel fanboys. You basically implied that anyone looking at this from an overclockers mindset was an intel fanboy, thus dismissing 99% of the OCN population. We all know that as far as sales go that stock is the most important but lets discuss that on stock.net, not OVERCLOCK.net. Just because someone says that the intels overclock far better than the phenoms doesn't make them an intel fanboy, all it means is that they bloody well have eyes.....

You say you don't care for the negativity of the whole FAIL thing, well I think that calling someone a fanboy is far more negative and destructive than any fail comment could be.
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My bad, I don't think I quoted the right post. My main beef is that you made and extremely smart and valid point about the vast majority of people running stock and that a good stock contendor should be as, if not more, important that a good overclocker, and then for no reason you follow up all that intelligence with a complete brain turd of a comment about intel fanboys. You basically implied that anyone looking at this from an overclockers mindset was an intel fanboy, thus dismissing 99% of the OCN population. We all know that as far as sales go that stock is the most important but lets discuss that on stock.net, not OVERCLOCK.net. Just because someone says that the intels overclock far better than the phenoms doesn't make them an intel fanboy, all it means is that they bloody well have eyes.....

You say you don't care for the negativity of the whole FAIL thing, well I think that calling someone a fanboy is far more negative and destructive than any fail comment could be.
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You basically implied that anyone looking at this from an overclockers mindset was an intel fanboy, thus dismissing 99% of the OCN population
I really am not sure how you got to this conclusion?. Last time I looked I did not accuse people saying that the Intel could OC better an Intel Fanboy...Perhaps I did and I just dont remember..Could you please Qoute exactly where I said this in this thread ?
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I have no doubt that the tri-core amd is a solid contender, but that is an e8400 at stock clocks. Everybody knows that these processors overclock like monsters and I have mine from 3.0 to 3.6 at stock voltages. Lets see a comparison where both cpu's are put to their limits and then I will be impressed. As for now I still will say the e8400 is the better buy.
Thanks for that cut-and-paste Intel-lover post. The article already mentioned overclocking in a future test...you'll get your results, ok?

And you'd only have to bring the 8750 from 2.4 to 2.88 to get the same percentage of an overclock that you have with that E8400. I know at least Neoseeker got theirs to 3.00Ghz really easily. That's a 25% overclock as opposed to your 20% overclock.
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Thanks for that cut-and-paste Intel-lover post. The article already mentioned overclocking in a future test...you'll get your results, ok?

And you'd only have to bring the 8750 from 2.4 to 2.88 to get the same percentage of an overclock that you have with that E8400. I know at least Neoseeker got theirs to 3.00Ghz really easily. That's a 25% overclock as opposed to your 20% overclock.
Was it absolutely necessary for you to call him/her out? You also neglected one little stipulation, which was @ 3.6ghz a measly 20% OC was achieved on stock volts.

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The stock Vcore on the AMD Phenom 8750 Tri-Core we received was 1.15V, but I had to push it to 1.37V in order to get the system stable at 3GHz.
The 25% OC you provided was also accompanied by a 19% boost in vCORE. I wonder which CPU consumes more power??? Or is that not a relevant point? Probably something only an Intel fanboy would bring up, eh?

I posted this in a rant, and I think it's applicable ATM:

- Some of the people flagged as fanboys are better described as overzealous hardware enthusiasts... They get out of line sometimes but that's because they go where the performance is, and they get confused when other's buy a product out of loyalty, better pricing, meets their performance needs, ect. I go where the performance is if I can afford it, however I do understand those who prefer brand loyalty, price/performance, and need.(IE any x2 @ 3.0ghz = adequate for most individuals needs)

- Some people seem way too emotionally attached to hardware, particular vendors, companies, games, ect and they need to get over it. None of the aforementioned will reciprocate and if they do(in your mind anyway) seek out immediate professional help. I think a lot of the members here have confused their own self-worth with the products they own and thus try persuading others to "join them"(Intel/AMD or Nvidia/ATI it's all the same).

I think OCN needs to get back to it's roots, OVERCLOCKING... Put up or shut up! The back and forth bickering is getting old, and fast.
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Looks good for AMD.They can't compete with raw clock-speed at stock but they can put 3 cores against Intels 2 and win in a lot of apps. Good to see AMD has another solid chip.
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