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I wonder how they would compete w/ that 8400 @ 4GHZ
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
I really am not sure how you got to this conclusion?. Last time I looked I did not accuse people saying that the Intel could OC better an Intel Fanboy...Perhaps I did and I just dont remember..Could you please Qoute exactly where I said this in this thread ?

Ok, here is the exact quote:

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Indeed and thats what matters most. Stock Speed performance is what you should look at at the end of the day. If its good at stock compared to the competition then Overlocking in the future can only benefit you more.

It should not be ''Well as it does not OC well then why bother''...if it is then I think you need to re-organise your thought process.

I would reccomend opening task manager and closing the process ''IntelFanboy.exe''
This is exactly as I described, intelligent post followed by drivel. That last fanboy comment was so disconnected from the rest of the post the only way I can think that it's connected to what you're saying about stock vs. OC is that overclockers are intel faboys. How do you connect it?
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Was it absolutely necessary for you to call him/her out? You also neglected one little stipulation, which was @ 3.6ghz a measly 20% OC was achieved on stock volts.

The 25% OC you provided was also accompanied by a 19% boost in vCORE. I wonder which CPU consumes more power??? Or is that not a relevant point? Probably something only an Intel fanboy would bring up, eh?

I posted this in a rant, and I think it's applicable ATM:

- Some of the people flagged as fanboys are better described as overzealous hardware enthusiasts... They get out of line sometimes but that's because they go where the performance is, and they get confused when other's buy a product out of loyalty, better pricing, meets their performance needs, ect. I go where the performance is if I can afford it, however I do understand those who prefer brand loyalty, price/performance, and need.(IE any x2 @ 3.0ghz = adequate for most individuals needs)

- Some people seem way too emotionally attached to hardware, particular vendors, companies, games, ect and they need to get over it. None of the aforementioned will reciprocate and if they do(in your mind anyway) seek out immediate professional help. I think a lot of the members here have confused their own self-worth with the products they own and thus try persuading others to "join them"(Intel/AMD or Nvidia/ATI it's all the same).

I think OCN needs to get back to it's roots, OVERCLOCKING... Put up or shut up! The back and forth bickering is getting old, and fast.


I agree, however, I think it is 30% of the first and 70% of the latter. Also, what bothers me the most, isn't the brand loyalty, it is the negativity. I see much bashing on both sides of the fence lately and it brings the site down. Very few people will post: "Yeah, xxx CPU is mucher better than yyy CPU, but it is still decent." etc. It is alway pwn this and fail that. I chalk it up to human nature, though. Look around, it is always easier to bring yourself up by putting something else down than it is so simply praise the merits of both. I think it is that negativity that brings on more negativity. I am guilty of it myself. *shrug*



OT, I think AMD is slowly coming back into the market. I am really hoping that they can catch some money from GFX card sales and dump some into CPU's. Look at nvidia, they are already dropping prices due to ATI's awesome price point. Think if AMD could do the same to Intel? It may take a bit, but every step helps.
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When forgeting about overclocking.... that looks very very good! good job AMD
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Ok, here is the exact quote:



This is exactly as I described, intelligent post followed by drivel. That last fanboy comment was so disconnected from the rest of the post the only way I can think that it's connected to what you're saying about stock vs. OC is that overclockers are intel faboys. How do you connect it?
You see this is where you made the mistake. Some people where saying that because it does not OC well then its some kind of a sub par product.

Which in the way it was portrayed came across to me as Fanboyish from them. Plus it was coming from the Intel crowd.

Thus why I said they should have a rethink and kill the process IntelFanboy.exe. If anything I was being serious and having a joke at the same time. However it seems you took it the wrong way.

End of story really. People took what I said the wrong way.

Lets just get back ontop topic now as I have explained enough and we are getting off topic
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Originally Posted by MasterKromm View Post
Was it absolutely necessary for you to call him/her out? You also neglected one little stipulation, which was @ 3.6ghz a measly 20% OC was achieved on stock volts.

The 25% OC you provided was also accompanied by a 19% boost in vCORE. I wonder which CPU consumes more power??? Or is that not a relevant point? Probably something only an Intel fanboy would bring up, eh?

I posted this in a rant, and I think it's applicable ATM:

- Some of the people flagged as fanboys are better described as overzealous hardware enthusiasts... They get out of line sometimes but that's because they go where the performance is, and they get confused when other's buy a product out of loyalty, better pricing, meets their performance needs, ect. I go where the performance is if I can afford it, however I do understand those who prefer brand loyalty, price/performance, and need.(IE any x2 @ 3.0ghz = adequate for most individuals needs)

- Some people seem way too emotionally attached to hardware, particular vendors, companies, games, ect and they need to get over it. None of the aforementioned will reciprocate and if they do(in your mind anyway) seek out immediate professional help. I think a lot of the members here have confused their own self-worth with the products they own and thus try persuading others to "join them"(Intel/AMD or Nvidia/ATI it's all the same).

I think OCN needs to get back to it's roots, OVERCLOCKING... Put up or shut up! The back and forth bickering is getting old, and fast.
Hahaha calm down! I was responding specifically to the post I quoted, not making some conclusion about this little shootout. Nowhere did I make the statement that the 8750 was a conclusively better processor, and it's not as if I tried to hide the voltage point. That news source (and therefore this thread) is about performance, correct? Well...I guess for some people it's more about discussing fanboy classification and theory

The main problem I had with that post was that EVERYONE understands the need for an overclocking comparison. Even the original article mentions it. Unfortunately, even after requesting additional information in the form of an overclocking comparison, the poster concluded that the E8400 is a better buy. Sounds like something that fits the descriptions you elaborated upon later in your own post (hint: the last two-thirds!)

The problem with "going back to our roots", Mr. Q6700, is that some people can't just drop top dollar on whatever really decent processor (overclocking or not) is available at the time. It's comparisons like these, and the discussions thereafter (however heated they may become) that are priceless in helping some people determine what to buy, especially those of us with limited funds. For example, this thread altogether brought me to the conclusion that I will go for a 45nm C2D for my next upgrade later in the summer instead of a Phenom X3 or X4. Arguments happen, but the big picture is that people come out more informed.
Edited by Guruboy - 6/18/08 at 11:53am
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Uhhhhhhh obviously a tri-core is going to perform better than a dual core in these benchmarks...
Yet it doesn't.
    
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I see much bashing on both sides of the fence lately and it brings the site down. Very few people will post: "Yeah, xxx CPU is mucher better than yyy CPU, but it is still decent." etc. It is alway pwn this and fail that.
Yea that really annoys me the most. So what, Intel won this time round. but I would hardly say AMD 'Failed.' They still make an awesome product, and they are still putting htem at competitive price points regardless of the fact that they have been obliterated this past year.

I still have high regards for AMD and would never say they fail in the slightest.
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I would hardly say AMD 'Failed.'
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I still have high regards for AMD and would never say they fail in the slightest.
Huh?

They "failed" to make a better product or an equal product at a better price. Would you prefer the term "unsuccessful"?
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I dont think Overclocking should be a factor in this. Not everybody Overclocks. I think people forget this way to easily.

I am glad to see the Phenom pack some punch in the gaming arena...this is good news.
i have a grave doubt that if it was AMD that would be much better with overclocking you would be still saying that
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