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You see this is where you made the mistake. Some people where saying that because it does not OC well then its some kind of a sub par product.

Which in the way it was portrayed came across to me as Fanboyish from them. Plus it was coming from the Intel crowd.

Thus why I said they should have a rethink and kill the process IntelFanboy.exe. If anything I was being serious and having a joke at the same time. However it seems you took it the wrong way.

End of story really. People took what I said the wrong way.

Lets just get back ontop topic now as I have explained enough and we are getting off topic
good use of logic. its like fortran, you can redefine false=1, or 5=2
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go to see AMD still trying. not just putting out crap cpu's. good news for prices nonetheless
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Huh?

They "failed" to make a better product or an equal product at a better price. Would you prefer the term "unsuccessful"?
Yep

Fail would mean that the product failed to meet specification or perform correctly. as far as I know the Phenoms work perfectly well now that the bugs have been revised. They do everything a C2D can do, just slightly slower. And by that i mean in real world performance you wouldn't even know the difference.

I hate the way people sling the term 'fail' around loosely.
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Imm really have to see this..AMD still has some hope, i just hope they do jump back to their feet real soon.
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Hey, it is taking them 3 cores to keep up, but hey who cares, at least they are keeping up. I think the Tri cores will be more attractive, and sell like hotcakes, if they dropped the price even more.
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2.4ghz vs 3ghz seems pretty impressive to me (If you don't factor in overclocking)

Too bad these triple cores are still kinda pricey for what they do
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I know what i want for Christmas.
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I know what i want for Christmas.

Never thought I'd see the day! I'll welcome you to the dark side with open arms brother!
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Wait for Nehalem and Shanghai, we gotta see how those perform against each other.
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I know what i want for Christmas.
The E8400? A Q6600? Based on THAT article (and that article only) the Q6600 seems like it would be a far better CPU in the same price range (~$200). The E8400 looks very competitive, beats the PhenomX3 in real world apps (all apps except games) and loses in games. So honestly they look even; saying anything else is just wrong.

Anyone arguing from the AMD perspective (not calling anyone a fanboy, just meaning if you think the X3 is better according to this study) is not taking everything into account and gathering evidence from the perspective of trying to prove something (that X3 is faster) rather than from the perspective of trying to objectively evaluate which one is faster. They generally say "well its 2.4GHz not 3!!!!! ZOMG UNFAIR!". However, the X3 has three cores, more than making up for the frequency deficiency. They say "only 1% overclocks so only stock speed matters", YET they simultaneously say "it beats it in games so its better/faster". However, considering that virtually all (percentage-wise) computers are used primarily, if not solely, for apps other than just games, the E8400 will perform overall slightly better than (and for sure at least at the level of) this X3 when it comes to games. They counter the logically sound Q6600 argument with "Phenom X4 beats it at stock which is all that matters". Well the CPU mentioned is $50 more than the Q6600. Talk about hypocrisy. The same people who made a big deal about the E8400 being only $5 less than a tri-core (which it performs at the level of btw...) omit the fact that their own favorable comparisons are with far more expensive AMD CPU's.

Both CPU's are good buys and honestly one cannot say that either is better. The X3 is very slightly better at some stuff, the E8400 is very slightly better at some stuff. They are essentially even. Virtually same price, same performance. If you use more multithreaded apps and are irrationally against Q6600's then only in this situation would i recommend the X3.

Now the Q6600 is in the same price range (and discounted chips are cheaper, like the $179 deal) at between 200-210 depending on store. It would perform much better than the X3 in BOTH games AND other apps. This is the best buy of them all. As said before its cheaper than its AMD quad counterpart, and slightly slower at stock. Perfectly acceptable. If you want you can smoke even the high-end AMD quads by overclocking it.
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