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I say screw what chips are being used, I am excited to see so many games and apps really taking advantage of the extra cores.
    
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... whats up with all the 2.4Ghz vs 3.0Ghz comments... I thought comparing CPU's this way ended a great many years ago... lol...

@ least AMD is still in the fight kicking and screaming... and looking at AMD as a package (CPU, MOBO, GFX) it seems to me it is starting to creep ahead in certain aspects (especially if you consider going Crossfire...)
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post #83 of 114
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Originally Posted by CrackClocker View Post
I have no doubt that the tri-core amd is a solid contender, but that is an e8400 at stock clocks. Everybody knows that these processors overclock like monsters and I have mine from 3.0 to 3.6 at stock voltages. Lets see a comparison where both cpu's are put to their limits and then I will be impressed. As for now I still will say the e8400 is the better buy.
Yea, and one core less.
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Wasn't expecting that. Go AMD!
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post #85 of 114
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Originally Posted by Indian_Engineer View Post
The E8400? A Q6600? Based on THAT article (and that article only) the Q6600 seems like it would be a far better CPU in the same price range (~$200). The E8400 looks very competitive, beats the PhenomX3 in real world apps (all apps except games) and loses in games. So honestly they look even; saying anything else is just wrong.

Anyone arguing from the AMD perspective (not calling anyone a fanboy, just meaning if you think the X3 is better according to this study) is not taking everything into account and gathering evidence from the perspective of trying to prove something (that X3 is faster) rather than from the perspective of trying to objectively evaluate which one is faster. They generally say "well its 2.4GHz not 3!!!!! ZOMG UNFAIR!". However, the X3 has three cores, more than making up for the frequency deficiency. They say "only 1% overclocks so only stock speed matters", YET they simultaneously say "it beats it in games so its better/faster". However, considering that virtually all (percentage-wise) computers are used primarily, if not solely, for apps other than just games, the E8400 will perform overall slightly better than (and for sure at least at the level of) this X3 when it comes to games. They counter the logically sound Q6600 argument with "Phenom X4 beats it at stock which is all that matters". Well the CPU mentioned is $50 more than the Q6600. Talk about hypocrisy. The same people who made a big deal about the E8400 being only $5 less than a tri-core (which it performs at the level of btw...) omit the fact that their own favorable comparisons are with far more expensive AMD CPU's.

Both CPU's are good buys and honestly one cannot say that either is better. The X3 is very slightly better at some stuff, the E8400 is very slightly better at some stuff. They are essentially even. Virtually same price, same performance. If you use more multithreaded apps and are irrationally against Q6600's then only in this situation would i recommend the X3.

Now the Q6600 is in the same price range (and discounted chips are cheaper, like the $179 deal) at between 200-210 depending on store. It would perform much better than the X3 in BOTH games AND other apps. This is the best buy of them all. As said before its cheaper than its AMD quad counterpart, and slightly slower at stock. Perfectly acceptable. If you want you can smoke even the high-end AMD quads by overclocking it.
Although you seem to have jumped the gun on what i said, let me give my full opinion. As you said the CPU are even, if you have to chose you should choose by motherboard. If you already have one get the CPU that fits the socket your on, otherwise choose by what motherboard you want. (Although, in my experience AMD boards are better by a large margin i won't get into that.)
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post #86 of 114
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i have a grave doubt that if it was AMD that would be much better with overclocking you would be still saying that
Actually I would. Either way, be it AMD or Intel. The fact that it may not OC as well compared to another product does not make it a poor one.
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Indeed and thats what matters most. Stock Speed performance is what you should look at at the end of the day. If its good at stock compared to the competition then Overlocking in the future can only benefit you more.

It should not be ''Well as it does not OC well then why bother''...if it is then I think you need to re-organise your thought process.

I would reccomend opening task manager and closing the process ''IntelFanboy.exe''
Lol!
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post #88 of 114
Very interesting! This further pushes my interest in the Tri-cores
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Christ, what is it with AMD vs Intel on this forum? Bunch of grannies with handbags!

I think that comparing a tri-core to a dual-core is not exactly fair, but how do you compare a tri-core fairly? There aren't any other tri-cores to test against!

At the end of the day, the E8400 is still the better chip, because:

A: It runs cooler
B: Uses less power
C: Overclocks better
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post #90 of 114
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Originally Posted by jinja_ninja View Post
Christ, what is it with AMD vs Intel on this forum? Bunch of grannies with handbags!

I think that comparing a tri-core to a dual-core is not exactly fair, but how do you compare a tri-core fairly? There aren't any other tri-cores to test against!

At the end of the day, the E8400 is still the better chip, because:

A: It runs cooler
B: Uses less power
C: Overclocks better
It's fair because they cost the same.
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