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^ Is it not obvious?! GTX280 is a huge waste of money. It's $/performance ratio is horrible, and choosing almost anything blindfolded is likely to be better than going for the GTX280.

I think where the GTX280 actually provides a benefit is at extremely high resolution gaming, like in excess of 1920 x 1200. But let's be realistic, how many of us actually run games that high? And even that is not because of its superior technology that makes things faster or more efficient but rather due to having more of everything compared to most other cards. It is like adding more horsepower by building a bigger engine instead of improving the technology of the smaller engine to get more performance out of it. I guess NV adopted the North American car manufacturer methodology
No, it wasn't obvious. And you certainly have a right to your opinion.
There are those of us that game at 2560X1600. Buying a 30" monitor is a commitment in itself. At that res, you are pushing approximately twice the pixels as 1920X1080. This requires horsepower, the North American V8 is worth it to me.
I'm happy for you if your rig satisfies your needs, it wouldn't satisfy mine.
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^ Then the original post should have been titled "If you got a big fat wallet and a big fat screen show the GTX280 some appreciation!!!"
Edited by dejanh - 6/18/08 at 10:29am
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It wasn't my post.
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It is like adding more horsepower by building a bigger engine instead of improving the technology of the smaller engine to get more performance out of it. I guess NV adopted the North American car manufacturer methodology
Fas Cars = Big Motors Note the #3 car comes with a NA V8....

Now Im not about to dish out $600 for one of these cards, but they do seem to keep with the performance increase ive seen in upgrades,, my 7900GT with E4300 got me a whoppin 6500 on 3dmark 06 and the upgrade to 8800gt got me to 11k... nearly twice as fast...

my Q and 1 8800gt was at 12k and sli got me 17k

Expecting double performance from todays standard cards is a bit of a heavy expectation if ya ask me...

to produce a single gpu card that will keep up with most SLI rigs isnt too bad IMO
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i think that this is another big step for nvidia, just look at the numbers this gpu is producing, it folds faster than any cpu and its a graphics card ffs.

yea me and 90% of the rest of the pc world would net see any real benefit from having 1 in our system other than the eepppenis scores but if you do have a 30" screen and want to game these are your only real option.

we are about to see another gpu war were 1 side needs to bolt 2 gpu to 1 pcb to even stay close. unless ati pulls a binder with the 4870 nv can charge what ever they like as they have the performance which speaks for itself.

hhmm if only i can win that lotto this weekend i will get 3 of these
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It wasn't my post.
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@10acjed - I agree that producing a single GPU to match up to SLI rigs is not bad. However this is not done by significant technological improvement. Rather it is done by slapping two things together in a seemingly efficient way which results in huge power dissipation and very expensive manufacturing cost. Having said that, not gaining more performance further removes the justification for upgrading. When all is said and done, you are left with a wallet that is $700+ lighter and you have the same power consumption and dissipation, same performance, and (in some cases) same number of slots occupied on the motherboard.

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we are about to see another gpu war were 1 side needs to bolt 2 gpu to 1 pcb to even stay close. unless ati pulls a binder with the 4870 nv can charge what ever they like as they have the performance which speaks for itself.

hhmm if only i can win that lotto this weekend i will get 3 of these
Why is it that you have a problem with "[bolting] 2 gpu to 1 pcb" yet you will probably upgrade to an Intel Core 2 Quad at some point in time and have two Core 2 Duo bolted to the same processor? That was a rather weak argument.
Edited by dejanh - 6/18/08 at 10:38am
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@10acjed - I agree that producing a single GPU to match up to SLI rigs is not bad. However this is not done by significant technological improvement. Rather it is done by slapping two things together in a seemingly efficient way which results in huge power dissipation and very expensive manufacturing cost. Having said that, not gaining more performance further removes the justification for upgrading. When all is said and done, you are left with a wallet that is $700+ lighter and you have the same power consumption and dissipation, same performance, and (in some cases) same number of slots occupied on the motherboard.
Once again, I'm having trouble trying to understand what you're trying to say, considering that some of the things you are saying aren't fact.



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Why is it that you have a problem with "[bolting] 2 gpu to 1 pcb" yet you will probably upgrade to an Intel Core 2 Quad at some point in time and have two Core 2 Duo bolted to the same processor? That was a rather weak argument.
I'm not sure about ATI, but Nvidia has 1 gpu per pcb in the GX2s.
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Once again, I'm having trouble trying to understand what you're trying to say, considering that some of the things you are saying aren't fact.
Dude, what is there to not understand seriously? Let me spell it out for you...

1. A GTX280 is effectively a "rehash" of the G92 core based 9800GX2 but instead of having two GPU units on two PCB, they have combined it into one. They have also widened the memory bus to accommodate now combined memory modules that ran as 2x512MB on the GX2. Fact.
2. Power consumption and dissipation is about the same if not worse than then current GX2 flagship. Fact.
3. Performance is the same. Increases due to drivers are irrelevant because drivers for older cards can be improved too. For kicks I installed your GTX280 driver for my 9600GT and I got a pretty hefty boost in performance, about 10%-15%. But supposedly, 9600GT is not supported by your GTX280 drivers Fact.

Do you see something groundbreaking there? I sure don't. And to top it off, the price is stupendously high at $700 per card so unless you have a big ass screen, with a fat ass wallet there is 0 (yes, read zero) justification for buying this card.

If you want proof go look at the plethora of reviews on this card.
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Dude, what is there to not understand seriously? Let me spell it out for you...

1. A GTX280 is effectively a "rehash" of the G92 core based 9800GX2 but instead of having two GPU units on two PCB, they have combined it into one. They have also widened the memory bus to accommodate now combined memory modules that ran as 2x512MB on the GX2.
2. Power consumption and dissipation is about the same if not worse than then current GX2 flagship.
3. Performance is the same. Increases due to drivers are irrelevant because drivers for older cards can be improved too. For kicks I installed your GTX280 driver for my 9600GT and I got a pretty hefty boost in performance, about 10%-15%. But supposedly, 9600GT is not supported by your GTX280 drivers

Do you see something groundbreaking there? I sure don't. And to top it off, the price is stupendously high at $700 per card so unless you have a big ass screen, with a fat ass wallet there is 0 (yes, read zero) justification for buying this card.
I really don't think this is a "rehash" of the G92 core..

And in idle it consumes less power, and not just a little bit less.
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I really don't think this is a "rehash" of the G92 core..

And in idle it consumes less power, and not just a little bit less.
Call it a "slight improvement" if you will. Nothing groundbreaking certainly. Also, idle consumption is quite irrelevant, especially with the new hybrid features of most motherboards coming out now. Your GPU will not even be active when you are doing common tasks.
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