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FSB holes are not the same as FSB wall.

As I mentioned before, an FSB wall is often (though not always) a property of the CPU itself. Some chips just cannot go past a certain FSB with any board or any reasonable settings.

Motherboards do have FSB limits. Good, modern, OCing Intel boards can often do 500MHz+ with stability. However, some immature, unoptimized, or shoddy quality boards have limits far lower. Review sites often take a CPU with a known high limit, and test motherboards with that chip, that way if the board falls noticably short of the limit they have seen, they know it's the board's fault.

A hole is a property of the chipset. They occur when the memory ratio, or FSB strap setting causes some aspect of the chipset to run at a very unstable setting. They are holes because you can get past them by clocking the FSB up to the point where a different strap setting takes over and loosens some of the hidden chipset timings.

My E2140 did not need any additional vcore to do 420MHz FSB, but I did have to keep the final CPU speed at or below 3GHz for it to be stable with stock volts (1.3 VID). I normally ran it at 400x8 with 1.4v, and I could get it stable at 420x8, but that needed almost 1.55v.

I haven't heard of G0 E21xx chips. Both of mine were M0s, and at the time, this was the newest revision. Things might have changed though.

Anyway, the newer E21xx chips, whatever their stepping, tend OC worse than the old ones. As Intel gets better at sorting their products, fewer good dies make it to the lower end CPUs.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
FSB holes are not the same as FSB wall.

As I mentioned before, an FSB wall is often (though not always) a property of the CPU itself. Some chips just cannot go past a certain FSB with any board or any reasonable settings.

Motherboards do have FSB limits. Good, modern, OCing Intel boards can often do 500MHz+ with stability. However, some immature, unoptimized, or shoddy quality boards have limits far lower. Review sites often take a CPU with a known high limit, and test motherboards with that chip, that way if the board falls noticably short of the limit they have seen, they know it's the board's fault.

A hole is a property of the chipset. They occur when the memory ratio, or FSB strap setting causes some aspect of the chipset to run at a very unstable setting. They are holes because you can get past them by clocking the FSB up to the point where a different strap setting takes over and loosens some of the hidden chipset timings.

My E2140 did not need any additional vcore to do 420MHz FSB, but I did have to keep the final CPU speed at or below 3GHz for it to be stable with stock volts (1.3 VID). I normally ran it at 400x8 with 1.4v, and I could get it stable at 420x8, but that needed almost 1.55v.

I haven't heard of G0 E21xx chips. Both of mine were M0s, and at the time, this was the newest revision. Things might have changed though.

Anyway, the newer E21xx chips, whatever their stepping, tend OC worse than the old ones. As Intel gets better at sorting their products, fewer good dies make it to the lower end CPUs.
can we just pass fsb wall or can't ?
ok how i pass the fsb hole by upping vcore although the clock speed don't need that much of vcore ?

can e2140 boot with 420x8 ? with no vcore increasement ?
3ghz almost enogh
don't harm yourself with 1.55

here we go
g0
e2140=l2,m0,g0
e2160=l2,m0,g0
e2180=m0
e2200=m0
e2220=m0
yes at the time there were no g0 rev
ya worse because of vid right ?
now do i have fsb wall in my cpu ?
if the answer yes i can't oc any more high with lower multiplier ?
thanks so much
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Quote:
what you meant by the first paragraph "?
it depends on multi and the amount it lowerd
375x8=3000
333x9=3000
the first 1500 rated fsb
second 1333 rated fsb
in the 2nd scenario, your cpu multi is still at stock..thus your NB is still 1:1 with your FSB.
in the 1st scenario, your cpu multi has been lowered one, raising the speed of the NB to ~45mhz > FSB...lowering the multi a 2nd time, would put the NB @ ~90mhz > FSB...

..you understand now?
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by a7m1 View Post
can we just pass fsb wall or can't ?
If you can't get the FSB higher with a lower multiplier, you've got a wall, and almost by definition, there is usually no way past it.

I can boot with 420 FSB at any vcore, but I cannot use 425 with any kind of adjustment or tweaking.

Just set your chip to the highest FSB you can use, and then up the multiplier.
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Originally Posted by CL3P20 View Post
in the 2nd scenario, your cpu multi is still at stock..thus your NB is still 1:1 with your FSB.
in the 1st scenario, your cpu multi has been lowered one, raising the speed of the NB to ~45mhz > FSB...lowering the multi a 2nd time, would put the NB @ ~90mhz > FSB...

..you understand now?
thanks
i already understand that since ago
all that ways to get approximately 3.0
but lowering the multiplier sometimes make's oc stable with 1:1 ratio
but not recommend since it maybe need higher nb voltage with a caseless environment with alot of 80 mm fans
thanks ...
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If you can't get the FSB higher with a lower multiplier, you've got a wall, and almost by definition, there is usually no way past it.

I can boot with 420 FSB at any vcore, but I cannot use 425 with any kind of adjustment or tweaking.

Just set your chip to the highest FSB you can use, and then up the multiplier.
ok but the question is why i can't past 391 or 393 not sure in windows then stoped working
while when i increase vcore it run at 397 in bios maybe even more in windows

i have satisfied with high fsb with 9 or 8 multi and high clock speed speed soon i buy nice aftermarket cpu hsf
what's ocn opinion with an nice ifx-14 with triple 12 cm fans
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ok but the question is why i can't past 391 or 393 not sure in windows then stoped working
while when i increase vcore it run at 397 in bios maybe even more in windows
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going to buy ifx-14 hsf is that ok going 3.5 with multi of 9 ?
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i think of getting an oc'able chip and 45 nm
what about e5200 ? any thoughts when it's arrive ?
also any other cheap 45 nm but oc'able
is e7200 great chose for budget ? will it oc ?
any batch's no's for e7200 ?
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