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I would consider DDR3 for a high-end Q4 workstation, that requires some excessive bandwidth for some 24/7 computing.
Yes, there are a few situations where the difference may be noticeable, but in general, they are few and far between.

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Unfortunately its very hard to find two such similar systems.. But I will gladly read through any reviews you might have spotted on the subject, if they are relevant.
Comparing 780i and 790i, or P35/X38/P45 chipsets (as there are boards of each that support each type of memory) would be the best bet.

If anyoen has a DDR3 P35, P45, X38, or X48 board and an E8xxx, or an E2xxx, it would be quite easy to compare with my own system. I might be able to get my hands on a Q6xxx in the near future, so that may be a possibility as well.

Some Links:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...r3-1800_9.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/...ddr3-1333.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...0_6.html#sect0
http://xtreview.com/review217.htm
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha.../ddr2_vs_ddr3/
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989&p=1
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?...Q4NCw1LCwxNzA=
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I read up quite a bit on DDR2 RAM exclusively yesterday. They tested different speeds of DDR2 Ram with Conroe processors. They found that performance gains were minimal once the rated speed of the RAM exceed the FSB of the processor.

Once I settle on a processor, I'll have more concrete idea for what RAM I want to use.

In the future, I won't have any reservations toward going DDR3. I'll give the technology a chance to grow a little before I shell out some money for it. I have read that high-speed DDR3 will outperform low-latency DDR2, but the premium cost doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather spend the money saved on a better video card, which should ultimately give me better in-game performance.

The numbers I threw out there earlier I figured would be attainable with some level of water cooling. I didn't know how expensive things would get.

I guess I'll have to attain more information on the best overclocks I'd get with an E8400, E8500, Q6600 and Q6700. I haven't decided what kind of cooling I'll go with yet. I'm leaning more and more toward water. If I'll see a substantial boost in overclocking potential (at least 10%), then I'll probably explore that a little more.

I guess I got a little ahead of myself by no researching processors as much as I should have. At least I became a lot more knowledgeable in the memory department.
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In the future, I won't have any reservations toward going DDR3. I'll give the technology a chance to grow a little before I shell out some money for it. I have read that high-speed DDR3 will outperform low-latency DDR2, but the premium cost doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather spend the money saved on a better video card, which should ultimately give me better in-game performance.
That's pretty much my stance as well.

Going DDR3 eventually is inevitable, and I really don't have anything against the early adopters, but since I'm on a budget, DDR3 can wait.

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The numbers I threw out there earlier I figured would be attainable with some level of water cooling. I didn't know how expensive things would get.
Yeah, costs can add up quick. If price is a factor you have to take a careful look at what you really want to do, and avoid paying for things that won't pull their weight in coin. Don't cheap out when it comes to quality, but don't pay more for novelty or fluff either.
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Price isn't a huge factor, but I want to save as much money as possible in the process. If I were to throw a number out there, I'd say probably $2000 is the max I'm willing to spend. The more money I save, the better.

It looks like I'll be going with the E8400. And if this is the case, I'll probably buy DDR2-1066 RAM. I believe the next step would be selecting a mobo.
Edited by chessmyantidrug - 6/24/08 at 5:34am
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Selection of a motherboard is going to be closely tied to your selection of video card(s).

Start a new thread (or find an existing one) in the Intel Motherboard section, or shoot me a PM.
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My take on this is simple. I'd rather have 8GB of good DDR2 memory like I've got than get DDR3 memory right now. Right NOW in my opnion it is NOT worth it. IMO having more ram that's a bit slower is better than having less ram that is faster.
Agreed. I would much rather have more RAM to utilize than less that is faster and you will see pretty much no performance gains. Apart from perhaps on papaer but if thats how you live your PC life then your fairly sad.
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Looking around, I've found several brands of DDR2-1066 all with 5-5-5-15 timings. If I can, I'd like to run mine at 4-4-4-12 or better but I'm not seeing any sold like this. I'm looking for a 2X2GB kit to have 4GB total RAM. Can anyone recommend a kit that will play nice at 4-4-4-12 or better?
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Virtually no 2x2GiB kits will do 4-4-4-12 or better at much past DDR-950.

You are unlikely to notice the difference between 5-5-5-15 and 4-4-4-12, especially with a dual-core CPU that has 6MiB of L2 cache (which is farily massive and quite good at concealing latency).

On most setups, clock rate can easily makeup for looser timings.

Here is an example of my E2140 setup @ 3.2GHz, 400MHz FSB (only difference being memory ratio and timings):



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DDR3 ram makes three phases It is a lot faster then DDR2 Ram Which makes 2 phases
The Higher speed and low timing DDR3 is very pricey but it is worth it
this is fast DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145188

Timings are not everything the DDR RAM runs at very low timings 3-3-3-4
but it is now where close to as fast as DDR2 running 5-5-5-15 1066

I just clicked on that link and wow, My rent is lower than that, lol.
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OK, so timings aren't everything. That's good to know. But I guess the bare minimum I'll want is 5-5-5-18. And I'm gonna want to run 4GB, unless there's negligible performance gains over 2GB. Can you recommend something that overclocks well?
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