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Originally Posted by JeremyFr View Post
The only format you won't get without HDMI is DTS HD.
Case in point, the best sound.

I fail to believe you're gonna get good sound through any output other than optical or HDMI, but that's just me.
Edited by ElMikeTheMike - 6/22/08 at 7:58pm
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post #32 of 36
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Case in point, the best sound.

I fail to believe you're gonna get good sound through any output other than optical or HDMI, but that's just me.
DTS HD is still compressed, best sound would be uncompressed LPCM, which whether going through an HDMI cable or being decoded at the player and passed analoge to a good preamp/receiver will sound exactly the same.
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DTS HD is still compressed, best sound would be uncompressed LPCM, which whether going through an HDMI cable or being decoded at the player and passed analoge to a good preamp/receiver will sound exactly the same.
DTS HD Master audio is bit for bit identical to the studio master audio. You're not going to get better sound than that. With an audio stream of around 25mbps, I find it hard to believe that analog connectors can truly support it. If anything your sound is getting downmixed by the player if the proper hookup isn't being used.

It's common knowledge that you'll get the best sound with HDMI or optical, which is all I'm getting at.
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post #34 of 36
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Thats wrong. My Xbox 360 can output 1080P with component just fine.

Component = up to 1080P
HDMI = up to 1080P with sound, one cable interface
Composite and Component can both do 1080i. Basically, an analog interface is never restricted by resolution.
It's just that at higher resolutions you'll start to see weird things happening... for example, Composite at 1440x1080 will start to dot crawl all over because the luma plane (lighting) breached the chroma plane (colors), and what should be lighting only is being shown as color.

Not having enough bandwidth won't stop you (technically - but the device can stop you), but it'll either lead to strange things happening or reduced quality.
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We're still waiting on our HDMI cable to come, but I will post before and after pictures with a good digital camera. Had a few friends come over yesterday, and they all said GTAIV looked like PS2 graphics on composite.

I wonder if HDMI does actually increase the graphics; how many people are playing their games without HDMI and own PS3/Xbox...
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We're still waiting on our HDMI cable to come, but I will post before and after pictures with a good digital camera. Had a few friends come over yesterday, and they all said GTAIV looked like PS2 graphics on composite.

I wonder if HDMI does actually increase the graphics; how many people are playing their games without HDMI and own PS3/Xbox...
According to this it has more to do with the quality of the cable. But hey what do I know. I hope it wasnt a "walmart special" component cable.

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messa...79/122868.html

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The argument often made for the DVI or HDMI signal formats is the "pure digital" argument--that by taking a digital recording, such as a DVD or a digital satellite signal, and rendering it straight into digital form as a DVI or HDMI signal, and then delivering that digital signal straight to the display, there is a sort of a perfect no-loss-and-no-alteration-of-information signal chain. If the display itself is a native digital display (e.g. an LCD or Plasma display), the argument goes, the signal never has to undergo digital-to-analog conversion and therefore is less altered along the way

That might be true, were it not for the fact that digital signals are encoded in different ways and have to be converted, and that these signals have to be scaled and processed to be displayed. Consequently, there are always conversions going on, and these conversions aren't always easy going. "Digital to digital" conversion is no more a guarantee of signal quality than "digital to analog," and in practice may be substantially worse. Whether it's better or worse will depend upon the circuitry involved--and that is something which isn't usually practical to figure out. As a general rule, with consumer equipment, one simply doesn't know how signals are processed, and one doesn't know how that processing varies by input. Analog and digital inputs must either be scaled through separate circuits, or one must be converted to the other to use the same scaler. How is that done? In general, you won't find an answer to that anywhere in your instruction manual, and even if you did, it'd be hard to judge which is the better scaler without viewing the actual video output. It's fair to say, in general, that even in very high-end consumer gear, the quality of circuits for signal processing and scaling is quite variable.


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