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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
Sort of true I guess....for computer monitors the minimum size for 1080p is 24". You're right about the plasmas. LCD's are a different story.
Sheer size doesn't determine picture quality. There's a host of other factors to account for.
LCDs aren't a different story. HD LCD TVs only have two resolutions, 1366x720 and 1920x1080. If it's less than that, they aren't HD. There aren't any higher resolutions on commercial HD TVs at this point because the panels they are built on are extremely expensive. That's why you won't ever find a 30" monitor with 2560x1600 under $1200 and it will still have a terrible contrast ratio and only decent response times. Once you hit 1080P, the average joe won't know the difference when you go higher. If however you start increase the contrast ratio, everything start looking sooooo much better.
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If I have a 32" TV and you have a 50".... and they are the same res. which one do you think will look better?
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true, but it will make a differrence, it's just not the only variable. I'm just stating that it res size will have an effect on quality.
That's not resolution, that's DPI, which is number of pixels divded by screen area. Resolution is the NUMBER of pixels, not pixels by size!
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That's not resolution, that's DPI, which is number of pixels divded by screen area. Resolution is the NUMBER of pixels, not pixels by size!
But I think that's kind of his point. Higher DPI = better appearance. Larger screens need 1080p because the DPI is lower, but small screens just don't need it. Everyone is so focused on 1080p vs 1080i vs 720p that they forget that none of it really matters...how the picture looks on the screen is the important thing.
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DVR in a TV will be failure due to cable DRM.
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Well they are getting on the right track, but they are still far far off.

The reason most people haven't is most likely price.

How much does a 27" LCD cost, compared to my current 27" CRT TV?

The answer: Enough that there is no reason to switch.

Not to mention HD service costs an arm and a leg.
    
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But I think that's kind of his point. Higher DPI = better appearance. Larger screens need 1080p because the DPI is lower, but small screens just don't need it. Everyone is so focused on 1080p vs 1080i vs 720p that they forget that none of it really matters...how the picture looks on the screen is the important thing.
So true...

Paying for 1080p-feature on anything less than about 42" is a waste of your money.
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If I have a 32" TV and you have a 50".... and they are the same res. which one do you think will look better?
The 32" will look better. The pixels won't be as big.
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The 32" will look better. The pixels won't be as big.
Pixel size is indistinguishable after a certain viewing distance. After something like 6-8ft, they will look the same if all else are equal.
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No it doesn't. 1080P is 1920x1080. 1080i = 720p = 1366x720. Size has nothing to do with resolution, HOWEVER, some TV panels need to be a minimum size to do 1080P. This is especially true of Plasma screens, minimum size for 1080P is 42" But most large tvs are also 1080P.
Several things wrong here.

(1) 1080p and 1080i are both 1920x1080, one is progressive and the other is interlaced. 1080i != 720p. Here are some resources where you can learn about 1080i vs. 1080p

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/
http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...80ivs1080p.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6361600-1.html

(2) Size and resolution do correlate, but not because of the reasons that you may think. Bigger screens usually come with higher resolutions. The reason for this is very simple, and it lies in the screen dot pitch (the distance between LCD cells of the same color). In order to keep production costs low and work with the typical 0.28mm dot pitch larger resolutions require larger screens. In other words, if you want to pack more pixels into a smaller screen, you will have to significantly reduce the dot pitch, which in turn would produce a much sharper image, but would also significantly up the cost of the given panel. Hence the need of certain panels to be of certain size before they will achieve 1920x1080 resolution lies only in production cost and eventual product cost.

(3) Currently, the only reason why TV screens do not really come in higher resolutions than 1920x1080 is because there is no content or market need at all for higher resolutions than that. Even for a computer that is already pretty high resolution, let alone for a TV screen that has no existing content running at anything higher than 1920x1080 (even that is limited).
Edited by dejanh - 6/23/08 at 10:25am
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PVR built into the TV? Who really gives a crap? I'm not even sure that TVs need 1080p, since that's not part of the HDTV standard. Making that be an optional upgrade for the Blu-Ray owners seems to make good business sense to me. Products need differentation between high- and lower-end.
ALOT of people give a crap about PVR. But I dont know if they care about it in the TVs themselves.
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LOL my PC is connected to my HDTV......there's your internet access right there.
I would like to forgo the added cost of all these BS features and invest the cost of the product in better image quality....
Edited by binormalkilla - 6/23/08 at 10:38am
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