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I pay 12.95 for a reg HD rental box or $24 for the PVR, rip off! plus to get all the extra HD channels, I pay an extra $8.95
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Who the hell needs a DVR? Tv Tuner FTW.
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Holy crap, they're raping you blind! Time Warner is only charging me $8/month, and the HD-DVR is no additional charge! If they tried to charge me $30/month, I'd be buying a Tivo instead without looking back.
well normal hd package is 10$, extra 10$ is for the additional hd channels that most other networks don't have. but yes, it's expensive. dtv isn't all that great ether. although a while ago I was given dvr and hd service for 10$ month, it was a 6 month discount a long with hbo. I'll try to give them another call to push for a discount.
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for regular non blu ray or hd dvd viewing 1080p is a waste no matter what size.

Now if you have blu ray it all depends on seating distance. at 10 feet from my 42" I cant tell the difference between blu ray and dvd most of the time. Now on my my 92" screen the difference is pretty big. IMO the picture quality of my pj stomps my 42" but my 42" was only 2 grand and my pj was 13 grand.
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Who the hell needs a DVR? Tv Tuner FTW.
Oh, hells no. I watch TV on my schedule now, not on the networks'. And I get it all watched in 2/3 the time, skipping past commercials. I can't stand watching live TV anymore, that's a sucker's waste of time.
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Oh, hells no. I watch TV on my schedule now, not on the networks'. And I get it all watched in 2/3 the time, skipping past commercials. I can't stand watching live TV anymore, that's a sucker's waste of time.
I've never seen a TV tuner that can't record...
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PVR built into the TV? Who really gives a crap? I'm not even sure that TVs need 1080p, since that's not part of the HDTV standard. Making that be an optional upgrade for the Blu-Ray owners seems to make good business sense to me. Products need differentation between high- and lower-end.

Now the wireless part, I'm way down with. All cables suck, including the beloved HDMI that everyone seems to think is so great. It sucks ass, folks, just like all wires do. Wireless is the future.

And here's something they didn't even mention, which I think is far more important than anything they listed: true digital cable ready functionality. Even the new agreement between the cable industry and TV industry requires a modern Cable Card like device, which is a bunch of crap. I should not have to rent a card from the cable company, pay to have them install it, etc. just to get basic cable on my TV. I don't do it now with my analog sets, but I will be expected to when we go 100% digital and my cable company drops the analog feed through the wire. Set top boxes or Cable Cards everywhere...blah.
For HD DVD and blu ray the HD standard is 1080P. But I think that the standard for brodcasting is 1080i.

But I think your right about 1080p being usless most of the time. Its only noticable on tv's bigger than 40 inches.

Like one of my co workers bought a 32 inch 1080P tv for 1000$ canadian. Like you dont need 1080p on a tv that small, all it did for him was add 200$ to the price tag. It aparently has some stuff to prevent games from lagging or something also. But that is the only tv that small that even has 1080p, you would have to be siting 3 feet infront of it to notice the differance.

The only reason I bought a HD DVD player was because it was 50$ and the movies were 12$ to 19$, so I bought a small collection (they were cheaper than DVD's). And the differance between a good upscaling DVD player is in my opinion not worth the extra money you have to pay now to upgrade to blu ray or digital cable for that matter.
    
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I've never seen a TV tuner that can't record...
Yes you have...because there is no such thing as a TV tuner that records. TV tuners tune channels, nothing more. VCR/DVR/PVRs have a tuner built in, but that doesn't mean that the tuner is recording anything.

This isn't semantic hair-splitting, TV tuners are a well defined component.
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Yes you have...because there is no such thing as a TV tuner that records. TV tuners tune channels, nothing more. VCR/DVR/PVRs have a tuner built in, but that doesn't mean that the tuner is recording anything.

This isn't semantic hair-splitting, TV tuners are a well defined component.
Okay, well Windows Media Center comes with Vista(Don't knwo about XP), my TV tuner was dirt cheap, and I can record, so I don't see the point of a DVR. My TV tuner does everything that a DVR would but I don't have the annoyance of having limited space to record. I don't know any cons for it. Point some out for me if you have any.
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Okay, well Windows Media Center comes with Vista(Don't knwo about XP), my TV tuner was dirt cheap, and I can record, so I don't see the point of a DVR. My TV tuner does everything that a DVR would but I don't have the annoyance of having limited space to record. I don't know any cons for it. Point some out for me if you have any.
This isn't a question of "cons"...you made the assertion that DVRs/PVRs are pointless because TV tuners do it all for you, and that's just wrong. Even in your Vista PC, the TV tuner isn't doing any of the recording...Vista is. Your PC is a PVR. In fact, all DVRs are just little computers, mostly Linux-based appliances.

I'm not arguing with you about pros and cons of any of this, I'm just trying to straighten out your terminology. When you say you've "never seen a TV tuner that can't record", that's just crazy...unless you've "never seen" a regular TV in your entire life, anyway, which I highly doubt. Just because your PC can also play music CDs, you wouldn't say something as insane as "I've never seen a CD player that can't rip MP3s", would you?
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