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I am sorry but after reading some of the responses here I am deeply troubled.

1. People need to carefully read and consider the OP, its source article and any relevant case history.

2. A distinction between what this particular instance is about and other MPAA and RIAA actions must be made

3. With liberty, comes great responsibility.

The RIAA is not looking to proceed without "proof". They simply wish to be able to move forward without direct evidence of files being exchanged. If you place a copyrighted file, in a share folder accessible to others through a p2p framework... it is IRRELEVANT whether it has been accessed by others. The very action of making it accessible is PIRACY.

Ignorance is not an excuse. I am astounded by the lack of accountability espoused by many of you "patriots". I take our Bill of Rights seriously, as it is the very fabric of which our democracy is woven. I also am appalled by the actions of the government in infringing upon our personal liberties at the behest of corporate interests. HOWEVER, this does not excuse me from remaining objective; and responsible for disseminating the information that is presented in front of me both thoughtfully and carefully. I urge all of you to reflect on what freedom means, and the dear price that others have paid to provide it to you.
Regardless,
the MPAA and RIAA are a joke.
Organizations based on two principles, fear and greed.

Two of the most destructive forces in our society.

The issue is not evidence or just cause... the issue is the concept of Intellectual Property, hell property rights in general. It's all based on a system that thrives on greed while claiming it's driven by "competition".

The question is if it is a system that is adapted to human nature, or if it shapes who we are... probably a bit of both.

In the end this is an example of the lows we can reach... targeting people for exchanging something that can be given without taking anything away.
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Regardless,
the MPAA and RIAA are a joke.
Organizations based on two principles, fear and greed.

Two of the most destructive forces in our society.

The issue is not evidence or just cause... the issue is the concept of Intellectual Property, hell property rights in general. It's all based on a system that thrives on greed while claiming it's driven by "competition".

The question is if it is a system that is adapted to human nature, or if it shapes who we are... probably a bit of both.

In the end this is an example of the lows we can reach... targeting people for exchanging something that can be given without taking anything away.
I don't agree exactly with the last paragraph, but you worded it wonderfully, I had to quote it.
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Originally Posted by Poser View Post
I am sorry but after reading some of the responses here I am deeply troubled.

1. People need to carefully read and consider the OP, its source article and any relevant case history.

2. A distinction between what this particular instance is about and other MPAA and RIAA actions must be made

3. With liberty, comes great responsibility.

The RIAA is not looking to proceed without "proof". They simply wish to be able to move forward without direct evidence of files being exchanged. If you place a copyrighted file, in a share folder accessible to others through a p2p framework... it is IRRELEVANT whether it has been accessed by others. The very action of making it accessible is PIRACY.

Ignorance is not an excuse. I am astounded by the lack of accountability espoused by many of you "patriots". I take our Bill of Rights seriously, as it is the very fabric of which our democracy is woven. I also am appalled by the actions of the government in infringing upon our personal liberties at the behest of corporate interests. HOWEVER, this does not excuse me from remaining objective; and responsible for disseminating the information that is presented in front of me both thoughtfully and carefully. I urge all of you to reflect on what freedom means, and the dear price that others have paid to provide it to you.
I agree with most of what you say, esp. the last paragraph, but theres a small problem. The issue at hand here is whether or not placing a file into the shared folder IS enough to be considered piracy. I see from your post that you consider this the case but as of this moment it is unclear if the law considers this the case. I don't think putting a file in the share folder is enough to constitute copyright infringement, I do think it's enough for ATTEMPTED copyright infringement but at the moment there are no legal provisions for that charge, i.e. attempted copyright infringement is not currently illegal. Immoral? Yes, illegal, no.
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Yeah, it's such a terrible thing to download one song from an artist that already has 15 cars, 20 houses, and lives life like an entire vacation. Damnit, you just robbed them of one of their songs, now they can't go out and get that pure diamond chain they really really wanted, you should be sued for millions yourself now!

**** hollywood. Isn't it bad that I'm a producer/writer/director also?..
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Yeah, it's such a terrible thing to download one song from an artist that already has 15 cars, 20 houses, and lives life like an entire vacation. Damnit, you just robbed them of one of their songs, now they can't go out and get that pure diamond chain they really really wanted, you should be sued for millions yourself now!

**** hollywood. Isn't it bad that I'm a producer/writer/director also?..
I wouldn't mind giving the artists more money. It's the producers that I don't think deserve more money. Keep in mind, the artists in most cases aren't standing behind the RIAA, they don't care because probably not see a huge loss in profit. The businessmen that have no talent other than robbing people blind are the problem.

With that said, I don't pirate anything, and I'm not about to start. But I prefer when an artist goes independent so I go any (or most of the) money I give to them is actually going to the people who created it.
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crazy lawyers and their crack
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Well... Pretty much anything goes so no more Big Brother breathing down my neck. And I just got back from there for the 3rd time and I love it.
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^^ agreed.

but back with the having files "availble" on ur computer. these files have real life, actual, physical counterparts n the form of cd's and dvd's (and whatever other format u can think of). so if u leave cd's on ur front porch n the form a white trash wind chime, for example, then u'd b breakin the law according 2 these fools.
not quite. in your example there is still only one copy that is just being passed around. in the p2p situation you are replicating and distributing. there is quite the difference there.

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how about stores having all these cd's and dvd's out on the shelves... that's exactly like having them on a computer n a shared folder.
they are also there for sale with the blessing of the RIAA and MPAA and again they are not replicating and then selling unautherized versions but rather selling copies that have been setup for sale. so again still not quite the same thing

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ppl go n2 a store and look at songs they want - ppl go n ur computer and look at songs they want
true enough they do that but then again it isn't a song that is being distributed to everyone but rather certain teaser clips and even with those I wouldn't be shocked if they pay for some sort of licensing with them. though on that I admit I don't know.
as far as in the house to just listen to the song isn't quite illegal but making your own copy from someone elses copy is.

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they're just trying 2 make more and more laws that favor the industry and their money.
well the property is theirs, they own the rights to it, they spent the money to develop this, produce it, market it, and all that. they do have rights to have that investment protected.
would you prefer instead that they just allowed full on piracy with no chance to the industry to protect that investment? you know what would happen then? chances are your fav bands, movies and such wouldn't be anymore cause why would a company spend all that money to get nothing in return if people can get it for free. it doesn't make sense from a biz standpoint to invest thousands upon thousands or even millions of bucks so joe schmo can just download it for free.

not saying I like or agree with everything the MPAA or RIAA does but I understand where they are comming from at least and understand their right to protect their interest.





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Yeah, it's such a terrible thing to download one song from an artist that already has 15 cars, 20 houses, and lives life like an entire vacation. Damnit, you just robbed them of one of their songs, now they can't go out and get that pure diamond chain they really really wanted, you should be sued for millions yourself now!

**** hollywood. Isn't it bad that I'm a producer/writer/director also?..
just because you're jealous that they make more money then you shouldn't mean that it is ok to steal though.
Many artist don't make that much money. actually quite a few of them can go very broke due to this and end up worse off then when they started.
Edited by rx7speed - 6/24/08 at 10:34pm
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In all my life in America, one thing that i hear over and over like 1XXXXX time is "I'm sueing you.." One little thing, i'm sueing you. Oops, i fell in front of your house, i'm sueing you. You scratched me, i'm sueing you..

I refused to say the pledge of allegiance.. only said it once back in 5th grade cuz my teacher forced me to..

and no, there is no justice for all....complete BS!
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would you prefer instead that they just allowed full on piracy with no chance to the industry to protect that investment? you know what would happen then? chances are your fav bands, movies and such wouldn't be anymore cause why would a company spend all that money to get nothing in return if people can get it for free.
Maybe then music would cease being an industry and resume being an art form?
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