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Why didn't they test CF?
I was wondering the same thing.
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These new cards have created a dilemma for me. I was going to go with 9800gtx in TRI-SLI. then the GTX260 was announced and I was leaning towards a pair in SLI. Now with these cards, TRI-SLI may be the right choice again (And 3 of them are still cheaper than a pair of GTX260)
i was going to get 2 260GTX but you have got me thinking.......whens the launch date of these again?

EDIT: july 16th is launch. damn ill just miss my stepup. maybe if i write evga they will give me a break....
   
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post #23 of 58
They look much and much to me.

All i can see is two great options to add to someones setup. If you already have a sli Mobo go with the 9800, if you have a crossfire mobo go with the 4850 or wait for the 4870. if you are buying a new system wait for the accurate 4870 reviews and prices before you make your choice.
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About every test goes to the 9800 GTX+; and in the ones it looses, it is only behind by 1 or 2 FPS. I know everyone is jumping on the ATi bandwagon, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore what your eyes tell you, way to fail.
The ATI leads in minimum frame-rates in quite a few tests. I'd rather have a game average 35 FPS and not drop below 20 than have a game average 50 FPS and not drop below 10. It's also worth noting that most games show the HD4850 surpassing the G92 architecture in DirectX 10 (or at least performing closer percentage-wise), which indicates to me that ATI's closer adherence to Microsoft's DirectX API has payed off. The HD4850 also consumes slightly less power - it may run hotter thanks to the single-slot cooler, but that's nothing that can't (and shouldn't) be fixed with a decent aftermarket cooler, or even some proper fan settings.

To all the people that wanted to see Crossfire tests, that's just begging for more inaccuracies. Once you start running different motherboards in a test bed, you're going to get even more variance than you would on a single board. Since the review was based around the 9800GTX+ it's to be expected that SLI is the only configuration they were able to test. It would have been nice to see Crossfire tests, but I would have rather them drop the 9800GTX+ altogether, and test some other cards at the same price point like the 9800GTX or even 8800GT.
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The ATI leads in minimum frame-rates in quite a few tests. I'd rather have a game average 35 FPS and not drop below 20 than have a game average 50 FPS and not drop below 10. It's also worth noting that most games show the HD4850 surpassing the G92 architecture in DirectX 10 (or at least performing closer percentage-wise), which indicates to me that ATI's closer adherence to Microsoft's DirectX API has payed off. The HD4850 also consumes slightly less power - it may run hotter thanks to the single-slot cooler, but that's nothing that can't (and shouldn't) be fixed with a decent aftermarket cooler, or even some proper fan settings.

To all the people that wanted to see Crossfire tests, that's just begging for more inaccuracies. Once you start running different motherboards in a test bed, you're going to get even more variance than you would on a single board. Since the review was based around the 9800GTX+ it's to be expected that SLI is the only configuration they were able to test. It would have been nice to see Crossfire tests, but I would have rather them drop the 9800GTX+ altogether, and test some other cards at the same price point like the 9800GTX or even 8800GT.
Yeah low minimum sucks. It mean you will feel lag.
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Is the price sustainable? Stockholders want profit. Nvidia isn't getting good 65nm yields (less than 40% last I heard); won't yields go down further when they switch manufacturing tech. With access to 55nm, how long until the gtx200 series is shrunk?

slightly off topic, who is making the 55nm chips for them?
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200 chips are rumored to be 55nm by Sept.


i believe its the same company that makes chips for both ATI and nVidia(i forget the name)
   
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post #28 of 58
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Wait, the 4850 was in last place in all of those tests.

Did you even read the article?

I second the question: why didn't they test Crossfire? THat would show scaling competition for the next gen....maybe Anandtech or Guru3d........they're much better review sites anyhow.
Edited by binormalkilla - 6/23/08 at 7:26pm
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post #29 of 58
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Is the price sustainable? Stockholders want profit. Nvidia isn't getting good 65nm yields (less than 40% last I heard); won't yields go down further when they switch manufacturing tech. With access to 55nm, how long until the gtx200 series is shrunk?

slightly off topic, who is making the 55nm chips for them?
Typically, you should see yields go up by moving to a smaller process (smaller die size, same wafer size, you can fit more dies on a wafer). That's one of the reasons you would do it.

TSMC is the company the manufactures the chips for both ATI and Nvidia.
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Typically, you should see yields go up by moving to a smaller process (smaller die size, same wafer size, you can fit more dies on a wafer). That's one of the reasons you would do it.

TSMC is the company the manufactures the chips for both ATI and Nvidia.
what does TSMC stand for again??
   
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