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[INQ] Nvidia cheats on 3DMark with 177.39 drivers

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If you look at it as a whole, Nvidia is doing two things, first of all doing a different workload than the rest of the world and claiming it is the same, and second not following the Futuremark rules. This is nothing less than blatant dishonesty.

We asked Futuremark for a comment, and they referred us to the above Driver Approval Policy, and then to the approved driver page here.

Nvidia has not submitted 177.39 for approval, and likely will never do so because the chance of it being approved are something between zero and having to buy Futuremark. Until they submit a bad driver, no harm, no foul. The Futuremark policy is that if it isn't up on ORB, it isn't a 3DMark score, and that is quite sensible.

Nvidia engineers know that there is no way they can get this driver approved, so they don't try. They know they are not running 3DMark, but they don't even try to hide it. They are however disingenuously doing a different workload and trying to cynically pass it off as the same old workload. There is a word for this behavior, cheating. µ

Note: At time of this writing, the ATI Catalyst 8.6 drivers are not approved yet, the latest valid set is 8.5. Nvidia's latest approved is 175.16, and Intel isn't even submitting a set, it seems they don't want the world to know something. In any case, this does not preclude all three companies from quoting scores liberally with unapproved drivers.

Bad industry, no cookies for you.

Reviewers take note.
The article is longer so please refer to the article for the whole thing. Everyone does it but it seems Nvidia has really been getting some negative press lately.
    
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I would not put it past The Green Team to do this just so they can get the 3DMark high scores. It seems that the almighty 3DMark score is taken more seriously then real world performance.
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I would not put it past The Green Team to do this just so they can get the 3DMark high scores. It seems that the almighty 3DMark score is taken more seriously then real world performance.
lmao this article is silly. and you guys above me obviously didn't read it.

What the INQ is calling cheating, i would call Technological advancement. All they're saying is that the GPU now does what 3Dmark assumed the CPU or PhysX card should do.

OH NOES, HOW COULD THEY.
It's called progress
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Pathetic

Go AMD, you have EARNT it
    
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This doesnt seem like cheating to me. Does Vantage run the physics test on the Aegia card if its present? It seems like a legitimate feature and they should recieve a few more points for it... Granted Futuremark should re-evaluate its scoring to of ATI hardware higher since it supports DX10.1 and not just DX10. That would even things out.
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Pathetic

Go AMD, you have EARNT it
what exactly have they EARNED?
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So....Let me get this: Having Nvidia GPUs do PhysX is cheating?

INQ has outdone themselves again....
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lmao this article is silly. and you guys above me obviously didn't read it.

What the INQ is calling cheating, i would call Technological advancement. All they're saying is that the GPU now does what 3Dmark assumed the CPU or PhysX card should do.

OH NOES, HOW COULD THEY.
It's called progress.

EDIT: I think i'm going to start a list of people who didn't read the article but feel the right to bash nvidia
Very true.

Also, 3DMark is a SYNTHETIC benchmark that has been proven time and time again that optimizations can be writting to make a card appear much more powerful than it actually is.

Performance can only be judged across many different benchmarks.
    
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Yeh there is nothing wrong with this, and anyone who thinks ati is better for not doing this better think again, because they are getting ready to do the same thing using havok I believe.
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