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He brings up valid points which people are ignoring. The physX test is for CPUs to run and not GPUs. It doesn't matter if it is technological advancement. ITS A CPU TEST BEING RUN ON GPUs
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post #23 of 103
ok, if anyone's doing something wrong here it's futuremark... they should have three sets of tests, not two. one set is graphics (which is also helped by the physX drivers because it removes the CPU bottleneck by doing some of the work that used to be done on the CPU) another set is physics, and the third set is CPU. if you have a g92/gtx 200 card or a physx card, then the physics tests isn't a CPU test at all... it's futuremarks fault for using physx for a CPU test.

For the graphics scores on the other hand they are 100% legit, and they are what really counts when the final score is computed. doing MORE work on your own hardware than the competitor is perfectly fine. the problem is when they want to do less work than their competitor to get more FPS.
post #24 of 103
I do agree that this is cheating.

If nvidia is going trick 3dmark into thinking the gpu is a CPU do the phyics than thats cheating. The CPU test was ment for the CPU than it should be for the cpu not the gpu to do the work

unless I got the article wrong?
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lmao this article is silly. and you guys above me obviously didn't read it.

What the INQ is calling cheating, i would call Technological advancement. All they're saying is that the GPU now does what 3Dmark assumed the CPU or PhysX card should do.

OH NOES, HOW COULD THEY.
It's called progress

Thats not what I meant about the PhysX. What I meant is that yes the PhysX is an advancement. What I dont like is that nVidia flaunts it and does not tell people that ATI does not have this feature yet. Thats what I dont like. IMO its deceptive marketing.

That average user does not know about the underlying features on a card. All they look at is what's the best/fastest card.
post #26 of 103
So are the NVIDIA drivers in question actually showing any improvement for physX games?

Why would we call this cheating? That's like all our folders claiming it's cheating to use the new gpu client to fold. Hopefully we'll keep seeing more and more cases where the gpu steps in and helps the processor do calculations. I'm far from a NVIDIA fan boy before anyone says it, this is only the second NVIDIA card I've ever owned in 15 years of building my own computers, but I for one say "Hat's off" to NVIDIA for this and for CUDA and the advancements that are coming as a result of CUDA.
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post #27 of 103
3DMark benches mean nothing and people have to realize it. It doesn't prove if someone's computer is better then another computer (that is, unless there is a major difference of course).

In actuall game performance tests - use it can prove something because it's REAL world performance. Speaking gaming wise.

3DMark to me is only a way to help people make their computers better because it gives them a ranking/placement so they know what they would want to upgrade or overclock.
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post #28 of 103
It sounds to me like either a) the INQ is wrong (yet again) or b) FutureMark has given them a "scoop" because their new software isn't accurately reporting scores because of technological advancements.

Either way, this is how things will move.

Nobody is wrong...except maybe the INQ.
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post #29 of 103
i had a feeling this would turn out to be yet another ati/nvidia thread.

EVERY ONE IGNORE CHARLIE AND HIS ARTICLES, HE IS A TARD, AND THE INQUIRER IS A JOKE.


That is all.
    
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i had a feeling this would turn out to be yet another ati/nvidia thread.
EVERY ONE IGNORE CHARLIE AND HIS ARTICLES, HE IS A TARD, AND THE INQUIRER IS A JOKE.


That is all.
The INQ is right most the time. They knew the approximate Die size of GT200 before anyone else IIRC. And he provides all factual data in this article so there isn't a reason to ignore this. The fact of the matter is that a CPU test is being run on the GPU which is a violation the rules set by Futuremark. Everyone has been ignoring this fact in which you can't deny.
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