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The PlayStation 3's Cell chip has made it a lot further out of the console niche than did the Emotion Engine that powered its predecessor, and for that, I credit IBM's cleverness in getting Sony to fund the purchase of a supercomputer coprocessor that could also be pressed into service as a game console chip. Cell is a fantastic fit for highly parallel, floating-point intensive supercomputer workloads, which is why Toshiba has formally announced a Cell-based laptop... er, wait a minute. A laptop?

When Toshiba started making the trade show rounds with a prototype of the Cell-powered Qosmio G50 laptop, I read some of the coverage and thought, "what a nice science fair project, but surely they don't expect anyone to buy these." Apparently, though, they do, as they've announced that laptops, which pair a variant of the Cell BE with an Intel Core 2 Duo, will go on sale in Japan in mid-July for about $2,700.

Toshiba touts the Cell BE part (more on that below) as a technology that will enable laptop users to do all of the real-time face recognition, DVD upscaling, video encoding, and camera-based gestural controlling that road warriors typically do when traveling. Or, at least, maybe Japanese road warriors do such things with their portables, but I don't think the company has quite made the case that there's a real market for portables that contain a large, power-hungry coprocessor that isn't a GPU. [...]

The SpursEngine runs at 1.5GHz and draws between 10 and 20 watts of power. Obviously, you'll want to be plugged into the wall when you fire up the one or two Toshiba-authored Windows Vista apps that can actually take advantage of the SpursEngine. Toshiba's chip needs its own, dedicated pool of RDRAM, which just adds to the device's total cost, footprint, and power draw.

The laptop also sports an NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT with 512MB of DDR3, which, frankly, makes a lot more sense as a floating-point coprocessor for an x86 laptop than the SpursEngine.

It's possible to purchase the SpursEngine, along with its attendant RDRAM pool, on a dedicated PCIe card, and that's probably where the device should stay for now. I could actually see one of these adding some serious media processing muscle to an Apple tower if Apple would support it in GrandCentral/OpenCL—the combination of the SpursEngine and a GPU would rock Apple's video and photo editing software lineup. And if Toshiba could get a desktop PC maker like OEM to bundle SpursEngine plus the custom software into its Alienware line, that could also make for a solid video editing platform on the Windows side.
Source [Ars Technica]
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http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...ed-laptop.html

Not same article though.

At least this one points out how stupid it is to cram in other media processor with its own dedicated RAM when the excellent 9600M in all its CUDA goodness is already sitting there.
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So basically its like a mobile supercomputer if you were to go through the process of running CUDA on it
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So basically its like a mobile supercomputer if you were to go through the process of running CUDA on it
Well, any laptop with an 8 series or newer card would be. Although how 'super' the computing would be on the integrated graphics G80 derivative, I don't know..
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The flavor of Cell BE that Toshiba uses in the G50 is called the SpursEngine, and it's a 65nm, four-SPE variant of the PlayStation 3's CPU. (Recall that the PS3's Cell is fabbed with eight "synergistic processing elements," or SPEs, but only seven of them are functional for yield reasons.) My guess is that Toshiba is taking Cell chips that don't have seven fully functional SPEs, shutting off four of the SPEs (including the non-functional ones), and selling the resulting four-SPE part as the SpursEngine.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...o-but-why.html

so it's only half a ps3 with the added gpu? toshiba's website for the Qosmio G50 calls it a "Toshiba Quad–Core HD Processor"

http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/G50

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Featuring only four cores -- half the number found in the PS3 -- it handled all tasks thrown its way
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/11/h...engine-laptop/

edit2: but this is really sweet!:
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The operating system will run on an Intel Core 2 Duo chip and the SpursEngine will be called on to handle processor-intensive tasks, such as processing of high-definition video. This arrangement means the laptop should be capable of some tricks that haven't been seen on machines until now.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ived_chip.html

so... excuse my noobish question... it's like an advanced physX controller for HD content?

Cell + Core 2 Duo + 9600GT ftw
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The trouble is, once every computer can potentially have super computer parts, they redefine what actually makes a super computer. The Cell is a low end part, these days... At least a single one. *ahem*Roadrunner*ahem*
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Originally Posted by yawnbox View Post
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...o-but-why.html

so it's only half a ps3 with the added gpu? toshiba's website for the Qosmio G50 calls it a "Toshiba Quad–Core HD Processor"

http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/G50
Correct - they are implying that the main CPU is Cell based, when in reality the onboard Cell chip is used almost exclusively for video processing. (An interesting decision, because there is another massively parallel floating point processor in the laptop - it's called a 9600GT)
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Correct - they are implying that the main CPU is Cell based, when in reality the onboard Cell chip is used almost exclusively for video processing. (An interesting decision, because there is another massively parallel floating point processor in the laptop - it's called a 9600GT)
Yeah, that's an interesting choice, does that mean there's a seperate processor for decoding video (the Cell?) to the one that's used for games (9600GT)? I'm sure the 9600GT is more than capable of running the media related applications the Cell will be, unless the "Toshiba-authored Windows Vista apps that can actually take advantage of the SpursEngine" are really, really worth the effort...
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I'm thinking Cell--> physics/texture morphing
GPU --> just do the f-ing gfx already.
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Originally Posted by yawnbox View Post
Cell + Core 2 Duo + ATi 9600GT ftw
lol, nobody else caught this?
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