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Im sorry for the above post , it was out of line
Understandable
   
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Politics just sets me on FIRE
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Politics just sets me on FIRE
I think it does that to most people. lol
   
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Hydrogen cars FTW. Already being sold in Japan.
Hydrogen has horrible energy density and is not easy to obtain. Gas is a much better fuel source.

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Originally Posted by kennymester View Post
What ever happened to those next-gen nanotube super capacitors?
Super capacitors are great because they do not convert electrical energy into mechanical energy (like batteries do) thus maintaining a near 100% efficiency in charge / discharge. However they have horrible energy density. Which means they are not a viable solution for cars.

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Not to mention the fact that POWER COMES FROM WHERE...? That's right, mostly coal-burning power plants. Coal is classified as a fossil fuel, right? So there goes more use of fossil fuel + more pollution.

There is no such thing as free electricity. There is no such thing as free energy. Solar, wind, batteries - there is no magic to them; they must come from somewhere.



That's why I highlighted it in red as a spelling error lol

I think he's had enough torment on his spelling for today, though.
The nice thing about electric cars is that you can obtain over 75% drive train efficiency. (compared at 15-20% for a gas drive train). So you will be using a lot less energy. Yes that energy will be coming from out power grind, but that energy is also created at a high level of efficiency (when compared to oil!). We have a lot of coal and nuclear / solar / wind power can easily be used to add more power.

The big problem for electric cars is not how to get the energy, it is how to store it.

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From what I've read and seen the oil companies have already bought up tons of patents for batteries for electric cars, making it impossible for certain designs to be utilized. The tech is already there just squashed. Capitalism at its finest.

Ethanol is a scam. All it does is funnel tax payers money into corporations with interests in the Midwest agricultural community.

Lets be realistic about this, this is just publicity for McCain



The government is not assassinating presidents. People with the money behind our elected representatives do to keep their own interests protected.



seems about right to me. If you follow the money that backs these campaigns it all comes from the same place. Wall Street!


It would be nice to see someone in my lifetime elected President that hasn't been bought by interest groups. Yeah, right.
Funny you criticize capitalism for not working with a socialist program (patents). Although patents are justified in a liberal (capitalist) doctrine, the kind we have certainly are not.
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Funny you criticize capitalism for not working with a socialist program (patents). Although patents are justified in a liberal (capitalist) doctrine, the kind we have certainly are not.
Not Funny!!! Enraging! :swearing:
   
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Hydrogen cars FTW. Already being sold in Japan.
and there's an entire highway (in the Norway area I believe) that is lined with Hydrogen refueling stations.

GM is working on a hydrogen car called the "Skateboard Car" which seems REALLY innovative (google to see why)
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Why not put that much money into research first instead of giving it to some already-rich old man with a 20 yearold chick?
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technology contests are a great way to drive the industry forward. i think the current gas prices are actually a really good kick in the butt to get the US moving forward in terms of efficiency.

oh, and i drive a hybrid, nothing bull**** about it. '03 civic, the car has paid for itself, lol; with electrical cars you do need to account the production of that electricity. still, it's a step in the right direction, and a hell of a lot better than guzzling gas.

I extremely doubt you've used $15,000 worth of gas in 5 years in that car. Let alone saved that much, unless you're so disgusted with the performance, you don't drive it anymore.
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Hydrogen has horrible energy density and is not easy to obtain. Gas is a much better fuel source.

Super capacitors are great because they do not convert electrical energy into mechanical energy (like batteries do) thus maintaining a near 100% efficiency in charge / discharge. However they have horrible energy density. Which means they are not a viable solution for cars.



The nice thing about electric cars is that you can obtain over 75% drive train efficiency. (compared at 15-20% for a gas drive train). So you will be using a lot less energy. Yes that energy will be coming from out power grind, but that energy is also created at a high level of efficiency (when compared to oil!). We have a lot of coal and nuclear / solar / wind power can easily be used to add more power.

The big problem for electric cars is not how to get the energy, it is how to store it.

Very true, also removing the combustion engine removes the drive train, radiator, exhaust, and many other components. It's just 1 motor per wheel.

The answer is more nuclear plants to generate the electricity.

However the big issue is that the entire electrical grid would have to be reworked for the massive increase in power draw.
    
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