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WAIT....... hold up rewind ............ University of Bath

What first went thru my mind was taking a shower after i read that.
Then this news post has served it's purpose, go have a wash ya dirty lout!

But yeah, this sort of tech will keep evolving, putting more and more people out of work, what these inventors don't realise is that they're only heading towards their own obsoleteness, eventually computers will be doing the inventing, the production, the marketing and the retail. Where does that leave humans? Pure consumers? What need is there for money in a world like that? Would humans even WANT to exist? Just to be fed fat by their machines?

Seriously debatable topics there, but I'm not one to get into philosophical debates, myself.
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I can smell the fail that is what we're doing.
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The world truly needs some sort of technology ethics board fast. If this eventually gets done on the nano-level then we're in big trouble.

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Wait, read the article. It's a 3D printer... the only difference is it's advanced enough to build its own structure.

The idea is having one of these at everybody's home, so eventually you could design a CPU and literally print it! How awesome would that be?
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Then this news post has served it's purpose, go have a wash ya dirty lout!

But yeah, this sort of tech will keep evolving, putting more and more people out of work, what these inventors don't realise is that they're only heading towards their own obsoleteness, eventually computers will be doing the inventing, the production, the marketing and the retail. Where does that leave humans? Pure consumers? What need is there for money in a world like that? Would humans even WANT to exist? Just to be fed fat by their machines?

Seriously debatable topics there, but I'm not one to get into philosophical debates, myself.
What are you talking about? Scientists cant put more knowledge than what is already known into something like that. You watch way to many movies
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Wait, read the article. It's a 3D printer... the only difference is it's advanced enough to build its own structure.

The idea is having one of these at everybody's home, so eventually you could design a CPU and literally print it! How awesome would that be?
Now if you actually read the other posts and stopped thinking about yourself and think about others instead, you would see that bu you printing out your own processor, your putting the factory workers who make the processors out of a job.

Everyone LOVES the coming of new tech that makes jobs easier to do. I'm pretty sure computers have had a huge part in job loss but they also made a few new ones. The more work machines do, the less human intervention they need. Sure you need someone to watch the machines to make sure they don't break, but you need more humans to do one job in the same amount of time a machine can do it, in most cases.

Look at cars, before the robotic arms you would have maybe over 400(guesstimate) people working on the cars, with the help of robotics it can reduce that to 200(again a guess) people. The company makes more money since it can pay less people and still get the same work done just as fast or even faster with robotics.
    
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What are you talking about? Scientists cant put more knowledge than what is already known into something like that. You watch way to many movies
obviously you haven't seen the research done on self taught robots. The start out with basic commands such as walking. When they first walk the suck at it, but then they take the data from before and try it again but only with different calculations. I forgot it's name but when it took it's first trial walk and then it's second trial walk, there was a difference in how it walked. Major difference? No. But a difference was still there.
    
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Can we say Von Neumann machines anyone? Von Neumann predicted self-replicating nano-robots all the way back in the 1940's. One smart mofo he was -- read his bio at Wikipedia.
Edited by thiussat - 6/24/08 at 8:15am
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wait aren't the english also the people who have a system called skynet?
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England just announced Skynet and now self-replicating robots! Where is Sarah O'Conner!?
Indeed. Its a military satellite network that was finally completed a few weeks ago
    
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What are you talking about? Scientists cant put more knowledge than what is already known into something like that. You watch way to many movies
I don't watch too many films, I've done too much research into AI for my games development & artificial intelligence degree.

But here's a thought: Let's assume you create an expert system, there's a logical process that you have to go through to program that system, you can program a computer to go through that same process. Yes, at the moment it'd be an absolutely rediculously complex thing to do, but making a search algorithm capable of filtering through several billion entries in a database in fractions of a second (See: Google) was thought to be impossible in the 1970's... If you can get a computer to write an expert system, the next stage would be to have some learning code so the computer can add to it's expert system by itself, based on what another computer or even just a separate process running on it is doing for research. Couple that with text-to-speech/speech-to-text, natural language interpretters and some other high end, modern AI techniques and you'll soon have a computer that's a heck of a lot smarter than any human will ever be.

Everything we do is just a series of different steps, when you have an idea, it doesn't just magically come into your mind, a load of different things lead up to that moment, things that have happened in your past, things that are happening around you at the time, thousands of different factors come into play. With a computer, it doesn't need all the stimuli that we need to get an "idea", it just needs to sort through a massive amount of data and intelligently decide on something productive to be done with it. Emergent behaviour would obviously happen a lot on such a complex system, things you didn't expect it to do would happen, what sort of impact they'd have, who knows? The more complicated a system is the more complicated it's behaviour is and the harder to predict it becomes.

Right now, the processing power isn't there for such a system, but if Moore's law holds out (every time someone says it's about to fail, there's always a new innovation that just about keeps it going granted, it'll fail eventually, but for the sake of argument, let's assume it won't *yet*) we could be seeing that sort of processing power in super computers in the next decade or so and in home user's systems in the next twenty years... Of course, that's just my personal prediction... And you'd obviously need programmers that are going in that direction to keep evolving different programs so that they can actually do those sorts of things when the processing power is available.
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