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Do you honestly really care about power consumption, I never let that determine my decision for hardware......
I do, it's almost always a top consideration. I look at the new products, and compare to what I own. If it performs better, for the same price my hardware was purchased, and it also uses the same or less power, I deem it a worth upgrade. That's just me, but it appears others are also concerned with power draw. At the same time, I don't trust these numbers for power. Their systems idle way to high.
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Do you honestly really care about power consumption, I never let that determine my decision for hardware......
Its just that AMDs "Second-generation PowerPlay technology" doesn't seem to help that much. Also being roughly half the size of GT200 and having half a billion less transistors it still comes close the GTX 280. Not to mention 55nm vs 65nm
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What this means overall is EITHER that nvidia's plans to market the 260 at $399 will be scrapped and it will come out at $299 ... OR ... if ATI drops the ball on getting out enough of these cards (which would be FAR from the first time something like that has happened), they'll keep the 260 at or around $399 because they'll be able to count on retailers marking up the scarce but highly desired 4870 to prices around $399.

thats why they were originally delayed was to make sure they had enough. GDDR5 is new enough that there isnt a whole lot out there, but since they waited they also get to let drivers mature and stock piles to build

My bet is on the latter scenario, simply because so often we consumers end up getting f***ed, so I've learned to expect it.

I would also point out that the performance of the 260 on the REALLY challenging benches (vantage extreme, crysis, and yes, lost planet) benches suggest to me that in the long run (meaning future games), the 260 will prove to be a slightly more powerful card overall than the 4870.

umm...not really...lost planet i think might have been a fluke, and crysis is optimized for nvidia, and vantage has the physX thing i believe. since more games got better fps from the 4870, i think that overall the 4870 is a better card


There is, of course, another large component of this picture that is missing: OVERCLOCKING. I bet some of you have heard of it? The difference between the two cards is of a scale that it could be easily overcome should it turn out that the 260 is a significantly better overclocker than the 4870. Such a scenario again would be FAR from unprecedented in recent generations betwixt these two competitors.

the 4850 has already proved to be an apt overclocker, and while i have not seen (or looked for) GTX280 ocs, even if it isnt the best overclocker if it does a little bit then that will make up for it.


Bottom line, for $299, this is an amazing card. If ATI can get these out en masse, it'll be awesome, because nvidia will have no choice but to drop prices as well. Were the two cards the same price, personally, despite these results, I'd be inclined to go with the 260 myself. Again, I think it's a more powerful card and I'm betting it'll be an overclocking monster.

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What this means overall is EITHER that nvidia's plans to market the 260 at $399 will be scrapped and it will come out at $299 ... OR ... if ATI drops the ball on getting out enough of these cards (which would be FAR from the first time something like that has happened), they'll keep the 260 at or around $399 because they'll be able to count on retailers marking up the scarce but highly desired 4870 to prices around $399.

My bet is on the latter scenario, simply because so often we consumers end up getting f***ed, so I've learned to expect it.

I would also point out that the performance of the 260 on the REALLY challenging benches (vantage extreme, crysis, and yes, lost planet) benches suggest to me that in the long run (meaning future games), the 260 will prove to be a slightly more powerful card overall than the 4870.

There is, of course, another large component of this picture that is missing: OVERCLOCKING. I bet some of you have heard of it? The difference between the two cards is of a scale that it could be easily overcome should it turn out that the 260 is a significantly better overclocker than the 4870. Such a scenario again would be FAR from unprecedented in recent generations betwixt these two competitors.

Bottom line, for $299, this is an amazing card. If ATI can get these out en masse, it'll be awesome, because nvidia will have no choice but to drop prices as well. Were the two cards the same price, personally, despite these results, I'd be inclined to go with the 260 myself. Again, I think it's a more powerful card and I'm betting it'll be an overclocking monster.


OK, Nvidia could drop the price 260 but at $299 you can be sure they'll be losing money, so probably not that low.

The benchmarks you mentioned have been heavily optimized to run on Nvidia hardware better (and who plays Lost Planet anyway?)

As for Overclocking, looking at the previous generation, the prize would goto ATI as the 3870's could clock quite easily into the 1000mhz area on air with a pencil mod.

but... its your money. Do what you will.
    
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1000watt psu's are for people who are overclocking monster cpu's like the qx9770, using tri-sli, or quad crossfire, have more than a couple of hard drives, have four overclocked sticks of ram, internal water cooling, a few dvd/blu-ray drives, etc.
all in all, 1000watt cpu's are overkill for most people, except for those who have extremely bad ass gaming rigs
    
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1000watt psu's are for people who are overclocking monster cpu's like the qx9770, using tri-sli, or quad crossfire, have more than a couple of hard drives, have four overclocked sticks of ram, internal water cooling, a few dvd/blu-ray drives, etc.
all in all, 1000watt cpu's are overkill for most people, except for those who have extremely bad ass gaming rigs
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What this means overall is EITHER that nvidia's plans to market the 260 at $399 will be scrapped and it will come out at $299 ... OR ... if ATI drops the ball on getting out enough of these cards (which would be FAR from the first time something like that has happened), they'll keep the 260 at or around $399 because they'll be able to count on retailers marking up the scarce but highly desired 4870 to prices around $399.

My bet is on the latter scenario, simply because so often we consumers end up getting f***ed, so I've learned to expect it.

I would also point out that the performance of the 260 on the REALLY challenging benches (vantage extreme, crysis, and yes, lost planet) benches suggest to me that in the long run (meaning future games), the 260 will prove to be a slightly more powerful card overall than the 4870.

There is, of course, another large component of this picture that is missing: OVERCLOCKING. I bet some of you have heard of it? The difference between the two cards is of a scale that it could be easily overcome should it turn out that the 260 is a significantly better overclocker than the 4870. Such a scenario again would be FAR from unprecedented in recent generations betwixt these two competitors.

Bottom line, for $299, this is an amazing card. If ATI can get these out en masse, it'll be awesome, because nvidia will have no choice but to drop prices as well. Were the two cards the same price, personally, despite these results, I'd be inclined to go with the 260 myself. Again, I think it's a more powerful card and I'm betting it'll be an overclocking monster.
I think the GTX 260 won't overclock well at all. The GT200 yields are crap(40% including the 260) hence the low clock speeds. In this videothey only got a 127 MHz Core overclock with LN2.
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looking forward to 1 gig versions of 4850/4870
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1000watt psu's are for people who are overclocking monster cpu's like the qx9770, using tri-sli, or quad crossfire, have more than a couple of hard drives, have four overclocked sticks of ram, internal water cooling, a few dvd/blu-ray drives, etc.
all in all, 1000watt cpu's are overkill for most people, except for those who have extremely bad ass gaming rigs
I really just meant big PSUs in general. All over OCN I can see people with 700 and 800+ PSUs in their rig when it shouldn't pull more the 450 watts tops. I know you don't wanna run a PSU at its max rated Wattage (I heard at least a 75Watt headroom) but it seems that some PSUs are just a bit excessive.
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I really just meant big PSUs in general. All over OCN I can see people with 700 and 800+ PSUs in their rig when it shouldn't pull more the 450 watts tops.
I'm using a 200W power supply. I need xbit to review the 4800 series so I can know exactly how much more power a 4850 would be over a 3870.
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