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post #101 of 132
Ok, I have not read all the comments, as there are ~ 100. I saw there were some comments about sources and non internet sources. But as a kid almost done high school here is what I have to say. If the say don't use Wikipedia, I still do and just don't put it as one of my sources. There are many, many less reputable sites out there.

95% of any sources that I put on things I hand in are BS. I google the topic, pick the first 5 results and use those. If they require a non internet source I go to amazon or chapters and search the topic. I get some book results and use those.

The last time I read a book for research was like 3 years ago, and I don't think I have even been to my school library.
post #102 of 132
my argument against stupid articles/claims like this is, why have the Internet then? i guess thats their point too, but its a moot point given the Internet is just as valuable a resource as any written literature, given most written texts have made their way onto the Web.

you can even purchase E-Books for a lot of texts now.

i think the only REAL problem with kids using the Internet for research, is plagiarism (is that how its spelt?). like copying resaerch data directly from a website, changing one or two words, or the heading itself, and claiming it for their own. but thats up to the Teachers to police.

if i was a teacher and i allowed the students to use the Internet for research, or any research really, i would require them to provide the sources for their information, either text books or web links. then visit those places myself and confirm they didnt just copy/paste etc.
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Wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate than most other encyclopedias.
Like, my school forces us to use some ridiculous search engine made by some no name company that probably pays the school to do that or something. All projects that cite the source "wikipedia" are given a 0 in the research section.
Wth...
    
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I'll probably get flamed for this, but read the response before hand. I somewhat agree with the article, but not for the reasons provided.

I have said for a long time computers, and researching on the web are leading to a general decline of overall knowledge. I feel this way because if you enter the appropriate terms into your search engine, you only get the response matching, as it should be. That's all well and good and is actually a faster way perform the task you were trying to accomplish at the expense of overall knowledge.

However, when we used books for research we stumble and pick the "wrong" book. We didn't know it until we read a little of it. Now we didn't read the whole thing as it was a waste of time. But the little we did read may have been on a totally different subject, or a different angle of the same subject. By reading it we would gain a little knowledge from this reading. Now it would not make us experts in the field, but if it was interesting enough we may go back and read it later. Or if someone talked about it we would at least have a small clue of what they were talking about. With the internet, and online media, this doesn't happen as much, IMO.

My job is a great case in point, I work for the Veterans Administration in the U.S. The newer people are great at finding the reference in the online books or the internet. However, they really don't understand how the whole system fits together or how the regulations work as a whole. How this regulation is an exception to this one, or how this one is an add on to this one etc. The pinpoint accuracy of search engines fails to give the whole picture of even your chosen field.

There is a lot of knowledge to be gained from stumbling around a library researching. No it won't necessarily help you in your chosen field but it gives you a better overall knowledge base which can assist you throughout life.

Just a different view.
    
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post #105 of 132
Teachers/Parents/Administrators need to realize WIKIPEDIA HAS A DAMN WORKS CITED AT THE BOTTOM OF EVERY WIKI!

I'm tired of hearing "Wikipedia is just people's opinions and has no credibility at all"
Really?
READ THE WORKS CITED.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Salku View Post
These times are different now, even if you read a book, most kids do not know how to read it or quite understand it.

Kids today read and write as ThIS iZ MaH RaPot 0n... SpAze (this is my report on space)

Oh god how this is sad but true.

You also cant blame the internet for being highly resourceful but whenever people want answers we GOOGLE it.

If I wanted to research of course I'll explore on the net but also get the resources on a book as well and slap a few quotes...
O RLY?

i've yet to see a single report written like that...

Quote:
Originally Posted by stargate125645 View Post
There's nothing wrong with that requirement. If the 21st century involves not using verifiable sources then it only spells doom for society. People can print whatever they want on the internet. There is nothing wrong with using internet sources as long as those sites have sources, but actual published items should always be referenced.

Would have pissed me off, too. You effectively insulted the teacher by doing that.

Oh, get over it He was making a jokez.



Either way, i think this is utter bullcrap. Adults (since they make the laws), especially the law making ones, are under the impression that incredible advances in technology that allow people to bring up information within seconds is considered "cheating the system".

This isn't cheating the system. This IS the system. Books are great, and they contain just as much knowledge (if not more) as the internet, but in an era where information on just about anything can be pulled up so quickly, it's astounding that people want to rely on old school methods to study. Besides, isn't the purpose of school basically to prepare you for college and life in general? Excuse me, but in 10 years, when my boss gives me a research report that incorporates some aspect of history and it's due the next day, I'm not gonna rush off to the public library to scan through thousands of pages of text to get my information. No, I'm gonna twist my swivel chair slightly to the left, pull up Wikipedia, and get the information in about 1/100th of the time.


These morons need to learn to adapt in a changing world.
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post #107 of 132
Why dont they actually teach kids how to research instead of just pointing the finger?
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lol, half the kids in my english class can't even spell failing.
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post #109 of 132
I blame our the teachers, most show no effort or care lol.. its pathetic yes I know.
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We can tel bi yor inglesh
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