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I do agree that kids should not beleive 100% what they read on something such as wikipedia and hang on every word as that would be dumb. For true research you should check two seperate sources and compare. If they agree with eachother then its likely you have found correct and credible information.

However for teachers to say the Internet is a 100% invalid source is very silly.
post #32 of 132
Here's a great story I remember from a few years ago about why one shouldn't take what's in written in journals (and books for that matter) as the word of God:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/paper.html
    
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The thing about the library is that books are constantly out of date unless they came out that year. It's easy to find a book with some information in it. But then you have to read the book and find out what revolutionary changes have been made since the writing of the book. If you go in to a library for a computer book now, Chances are they don't reference multi core processors.

Hell my A+ compTIA was copyrighted in 2007 and only mentions up to Pentium Dual Cores. Make no mention of tri-cores or quads. It still says HD-DVD is going to be the future of storage. Only talks about DVD writers and nothing of blu-ray readers or burners.

So a book from last year is already out of date. This is where the internet prevails.

It's like someone said, you can pick a random book out about the a topic. How do you know the book is correct? You don't you have to assume that since it's in the book it's the truth just like another very famous book from over 2,000 years ago which has a lot of questionable content if taken word for word(take a guess).

While looking for a book is nice, it is mostly outdated info if on something in the field of science, medicine, and the likes.
    
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if a book says something different than the internet, it's usually because the book is outdated. and you might get the question wrong on a test because they want the answer that the text book taught you (the outdated one). my economics class was terrible like this, there were questions that the real answer as of now was the wrong answer, and the answer that would have been true ten years ago when the text book was made was the correct answer. it's the schools that should stop buying these books, and just use computers! welcome to the 21st century, we should all have laptops and be learning from them!
post #35 of 132
No, Wikipedia isn't always 100% accurate....but the information on it isn't so far fetched that it would completely screw up an entire report.

Besides, the teacher's shouldn't be FAILING the kids if their source is wrong. I mean, if one of them is told that 2+2=5, and he writes a BEAUTIFUL report on how 2+2=5 and all the implications of it, showing very good logical and analytical thinking, that should count for most of the grade.

Of course, at THAT point the teacher should point out how his source was bad and that's why he didn't get the full 100, and follow up with suggestions and examples for future papers. And then if it happens again next time, THEN it would be a problem.

Too bad most teachers are bums. Instead of teaching kids how to think they are just trying to get them to pass tests so that THEY can brag.
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post #36 of 132
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I do agree that kids should not beleive 100% what they read on something such as wikipedia and hang on every word as that would be dumb. For true research you should check two seperate sources and compare. If they agree with eachother then its likely you have found correct and credible information.
Unless the sources cite each other.
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Isn't wikipedia a community based site?
Well the thing that a research can do well is if you had experience with that certain subject/topic. We do not know if our sources are true unless we try it out ourselves. Hell Wiki can say fire is not hot, but cold. You try it out, HELL it frigging hot!
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Beat me to it.

Instead of blaming the internetz for stupid kids, how about we blame the real issue, stupid and lazy teachers!

It isn't that hard to give all the kids with bad answers a poor grade, then the next class day teach them what they did wrong, and why the library might be better.

I have spent my time in the school system, and done some teaching and behind the scenes work, and from what I have seen a lot of teachers are very lazy, and don't have the guts to let parents know what their kids are doing, or don't have the guts to fail or give poor grades to kids.
Bingo!

I love Wikipedia for quick reference, but I know that if I were to even think of citing it for a report or other assignment it'd come back to me with a failing grade. If the teachers make a policy and enforce it fairly, there is no reason for them to be afraid of handing out a bad grade. They just need to make sure they explain to the kid why the grade was bad, so they can avoid it in the future. (Or better yet, make the policy clear up front)
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2 words why I use internet sources over palpable ones:

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Isn't wikipedia a community based site?
Well the thing that a research can do well is if you had experience with that certain subject/topic. We do not know if our sources are true unless we try it out ourselves. Hell Wiki can say fire is not hot, but cold. You try it out, HELL it frigging hot!
See the beauty about Wikipedia is that it links you to other sources. When researching Wikipedia is a good place to get a quick overview of the topic before diving in deep. When you dive in, then you use the links at the bottom for sources. If said link does not work, then you turn to Google/Yahoo for your search on that particular portion of your research.

Wikipedia only serves as a quick understand and a link hub. But you must have criticism only anything you read regardless if it's on the net or in a book. Books are NEVER 100% accurate unless it has to do with math. But even then, there are typos.
    
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