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How?

They release under performing products, and hype the crap out of them.

I don't know why we have so many "company oriented-fans" around, but honestly, do you think Intel, Nvidia, ATI, AMD actually care about what you think of them? All of them are trying to get your money, it is up to you as the consumer to decide what company has the product that is best for you.

Leave the "they deserve my money" stuff up you when you decide what charity to donate to.
I agree, but if the consumers don't teach the companies to cut this crap by jumping ship, it will just continue endlessly, which is why I will likely go ATI when the 4870's are available.

Also, Nvidia circle-jerking with game developers/futuremark irritates me to no end. Yes, ATI also is guilty, but Nvidia is the greater offender IMO.
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I am talking about way back when AMD was hyping up its "3.0 ghz" Phenom, and the hype back then. There is no doubt that a Phenom is a decent improvement over the older K8's.
I can see what you're saying, and I just want to point out that really Intel is no different. When they demoed an "insanely overclocked nehalem", they wouldn't even reveal the speed it was running at. Why? Either it won't be launched at or close to that speed or it just wasn't that impressive. They also "wowed" people with impressive loading times that have a hell of a lot more to do with the SSD drives in RAID than the actual processor. They just need something to get people to buy it since it's really a server chip on a desktop platform. IIRC, the Phenom demo was of it encoding a video while simultaneously playing back a Blu-Ray movie (I could be thinking of something else here, this is coming straight from memroy). Like the Nehalem demo, this really has little to do with the actual processor's performance since while it's busy with the encoding, the work associated with the Blu Ray was offloaded to the HD2900XT it was paired with.

So yes, both companies were/are trying to generate hype to build up for a launch and I don't think there's anything wrong with that for either side. Both companies, I think, give reasonable and accurate performance expectations, but I think the problem with "overhyping" is more that people will take the numbers that are given out of context rather than Intel/AMD actually inflating numbers.
Edited by darkcloud89 - 6/24/08 at 7:39pm
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I'm going AMD/ATI for the sheer fact that I can build a cheaper system with them than if I went Intel/nVidia.
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The manufacturing costs of their cards almost guarantee they are bluffing.
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While Nvidia seems to be losing now, you must keep in mind that we're comparing a 55nm product and a 65nm product.

Once the 260/280 drops to 55nm, yields will improve, the massive power draw will fall, and costs will go down.

Once everyone is at 55nm, all ATI will have going for it is the 4870x2 (which will no doubt be amazing).
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Agreed. I dont know why they dont man up and admit they lost this time. AMD/ATI worked hard and deserve a win. Why be such sore loosers about it.
How did ATI win? Aside from cost all of the benchmarks I see show the new nVidia cards killing the ATI cards. Do you mean from a cost perspective? Also you have to pay for performance, it's the way it goes. If ATI's card was so much better they could sell it for more money.
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While Nvidia seems to be losing now, you must keep in mind that we're comparing a 55nm product and a 65nm product.

Once the 260/280 drops to 55nm, yields will improve, the massive power draw will fall, and costs will go down.

Once everyone is at 55nm, all ATI will have going for it is the 4870x2 (which will no doubt be amazing).
A 10nm difference in manufacturing technology will make little difference for all 3 of those. While it will help, it just won't be enough to make radical changes like you are suggesting.

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How did ATI win? Aside from cost all of the benchmarks I see show the new nVidia cards killing the ATI cards. Do you mean from a cost perspective? Also you have to pay for performance, it's the way it goes. If ATI's card was so much better they could sell it for more money.
Cost/Performance ratios my friend, and the fact we all know the 4870x2 is coming and coming at a better price (price is of course speculation based on past AMD pricings.)
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I really don't think I can take it seriously after this:


QFT.

nVidia was only clearly on top on the 79x0 (But barely on top with sales, mostly due to optimizations and overclocks) and the 8800 series, and even then, after ATI launched the HD38x0's, a LOT of people switched to ATI.



Even if nVidia lowers its pricing so that it can compete with ATI, I still doubt they will have a chance of winning, they'll need to make a new card with good yields and good speed.
    
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No matter what I say or what others say will change any of our minds, its all about performance and to most its all about performance and price. the gtx 280 is a top of a line card with a top of the line price. Just like the qx9650 which isnt really 5x faster then say a q6600 but it sure cost's that much more just cause its top of the line along with the rest of the qx series cpu's
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