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I was originally going to only purchase 2Gb of the team extreme from tank guys but at that price of $40 for 2gb and the fact that it could be sold out when i wanted another 2gb i figured i should buy two of them.

So i did and they should be on the way but the problem is i only have XP 32-bit.
I know that XP only recognized 3.5gb and the other goes into paging or something but my question is should i put all 4gb in for now? Will it be read in dual-channel even though all of it isn't being used? I imagine not but just curious....i really don't want vista that much because i just got done re-formatting my entire hard drive plus i like the extra performance boost from XP over vista.
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Put in all 4 at once. The OS does not handle dual channel recognition and processing, the motherboard does. Everything will be fine.
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It's actually closer to 3.2gb....

It'll be fine
 
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You don't have to go Vista to go 64bit. There's a version of XP PRO is 64 bit.
    
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Originally Posted by Ao2 3lit3 snip3r View Post
You don't have to go Vista to go 64bit. There's a version of XP PRO is 64 bit.
I keep hearing bad things about that but as long as i get dual-channel that's fine. Plus i will get a boost of a gig or so and that's fine since that's all i will need for a while until i upgrade to a 64-bit where 4gb will be nice.

Thanks a lot guys i feel better heh
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4GB is really nice

but yeah, nothing wrong with 4GB
    
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the OS will recognize 4gb of usable memory, TOTAL.
This means sound card memory, graphics card memory, anything.

So some people get 3.75gb, some get 3.5, some get less.
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Originally Posted by Krunk_Kracker View Post
It's actually closer to 3.2gb....

It'll be fine
It's actually exactly 4096MB.

What actually happens in a 32-bit system is, the OS addresses up to 4096MB, but that includes your video memory, sound card memory and any memory on other devices in the system. For example:

You could have:
  • 4GB RAM
  • A graphics card with 512MB of memory
  • X-Fi soundcard with 64mb XRAM
  • Other misc. devices with around 4MB of memory between them

The OS will address the other devices at the higher end of the address range first (if I recall correctly), so that'll leave you with:

4096 - 512 - 64 - 4 = 3516MB, displayed in the System properties dialogue box as 3.5GB. Here's an image to explain what I mean:



Technically it's 4,294,967,296 Bytes that are addressable, as that's how many addresses you can hold in a 32-bit instruction, 2^32 = 4,294,967,296, give or take.

That's why different people get different amounts of usable memory, some people have 768MB graphics cards, some people have dual 512MB cards, etc.

Hope that explains the issue.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nategr8ns View Post
the OS will recognize 4gb of usable memory, TOTAL.
This means sound card memory, graphics card memory, anything.

So some people get 3.75gb, some get 3.5, some get less.
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Originally Posted by Hterag View Post
It's actually exactly 4096MB.

What actually happens in a 32-bit system is, the OS addresses up to 4096MB, but that includes your video memory, sound card memory and any memory on other devices in the system. For example:

You could have:
  • 4GB RAM
  • A graphics card with 512MB of memory
  • X-Fi soundcard with 64mb XRAM
  • Other misc. devices with around 4MB of memory between them

The OS will address the other devices at the higher end of the address range first (if I recall correctly), so that'll leave you with:

4096 - 512 - 64 - 4 = 3516MB, displayed in the System properties dialogue box as 3.5GB. Here's an image to explain what I mean:

Technically it's 4,294,967,296 Bytes that are addressable, as that's how many addresses you can hold in a 32-bit instruction, 2^32 = 4,294,967,296, give or take.

That's why different people get different amounts of usable memory, some people have 768MB graphics cards, some people have dual 512MB cards, etc.

Hope that explains the issue.
What in the world are you guys talking about?



Same with XP x64 and Vista. The 3.5GB or whatever RAM shows because x86 OSs can only register that much.
Edited by Guruboy - 6/25/08 at 10:48am
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Same with XP x64 and Vista. The 3.5GB or whatever RAM shows because x86 OSs can only register that much.
That's what we're talking about... Of course a 64-bit OS can address it all because a 64-bit OS can address 2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes! And 32-bit Windows Server uses PAE to virtually address up to 16GB, if I recall correctly.
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