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Japan:

total area : 377,873 km²
population 07 estimate : 127,433,494

US:

total area : 9,826,630 km² (~26x Japan's area)
population 08 estimate : 304,429,000 (~2.4x Japan's population)

I think the US's size(area) and density(population) has really hindered the growth of "fiber-centric broadband infrastructure". The US is 26x the size of Japan yet only has 2.4x the population. My guess, building up fiber-centric infrastructure in the US would cost one hellavu pretty penny. Perhaps high density cities will be the first to see fiber? [/COLOR]
It is true that rolling out fiber in the US is a much larger task than in a concentrated landmass such as japan, but the ISP's have been dragging their feet in an almost criminal way. Tens of billions of tax dollars have been pumped into the ISP's since the early nineties to subsidize last-mile fiber rollout, and yet the first commercial connections appeared just a few years ago.
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I think you guys whine too much

Israel is tiny, and yet we still have much slower connections than you do.
ISPs dragging feet? Only in Israel.
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I think you guys whine too much

Israel is tiny, and yet we still have much slower connections than you do.
ISPs dragging feet? Only in Israel.
What does Israel have to do with capped bandwith in Japan?
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It is true that rolling out fiber in the US is a much larger task than in a concentrated landmass such as japan, but the ISP's have been dragging their feet in an almost criminal way. Tens of billions of tax dollars have been pumped into the ISP's since the early nineties to subsidize last-mile fiber rollout, and yet the first commercial connections appeared just a few years ago.
^ I agree completely.

Just pointing out it's not cheap or easy(), some people seem think it just takes a magic wand or fairy dust or some such crap... I have a friend that works for a small company that owns, operates and manages a fiber optic network with 12K+ route miles(of fiber). Let's just it's not cheap to have a T1 installed and that's pretty much the most basic line they offer(OC1/3/12/24/ECT cost an arm + leg) and the further you are from a hub the more it's gonna cost.
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I can definitely live with that. 30GB's per day uploading. I barely uploaded 10GB per day as it is.
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30 GB per day is really hardly anything on the upstream. Most heavy torrent users wouldn't even hit that. Still, it's the principle of the matter that counts here, and this is just BS.
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30 GB per day is really hardly anything on the upstream. Most heavy torrent users wouldn't even hit that. Still, it's the principle of the matter that counts here, and this is just BS.
Why is it BS? Because you want more for nothing?
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Oh, upstream. I'd accept that. 30GB download, on the other hand.. That's one movie and you're done for!
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You've got some serious issues if you're using 30gb downstream a day on a regular basis.
30GB/day?!? Wow. Um, yeah.

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30 GB per day is really hardly anything on the upstream. Most heavy torrent users wouldn't even hit that. Still, it's the principle of the matter that counts here, and this is just BS.
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Why is it BS? Because you want more for nothing?
Pretty much. It's called a sense of entitlement.

These are businesses we're talking about here. They can pretty much charge whatever they feel like (with some legal exceptions, of course). And before someone gets all "profit = evil corporation" on me.... businesses have the need (and right) to adjust prices and services dynamically over time. Adjustments need to be made to account for market and situational changes. These adjustments, at times, can be based on a relatively small group's exploitation of an 'unlimited' service (whether intentional or not). For these reasons (and a multitude of others), keeping the exact same prices and services indefinitely would be business suicide. That should be common knowledge, really.
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30 GB per day is really hardly anything on the upstream. Most heavy torrent users wouldn't even hit that. Still, it's the principle of the matter that counts here, and this is just BS.
If it's not going to affect you, it's not BS
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Oh, upstream. I'd accept that. 30GB download, on the other hand.. That's one movie and you're done for!
One HD movie, yes.
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