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It's just funny that out of my three fairly identical rigs (Q6600 - XP - 2GB, E6750 - Ubuntu 2GB, E6600 - Vista - 4GB), I ended up using the Vista rig for my daily routine (while it's folding both GPU2 and Win SMP). Maybe it's simply the 2GB extra RAM that makes the difference, but it's the most responsive and most stable rig of the three.
    
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Right click on the program, run as administrator.
Since you've obviously been running an admin account all this time while I've taken the Linux style of added security by always running as user account and elevating only when needed, you wouldn't realize what works and what doesn't under restricted permissions.

Vista has specifically disabled running explorer as admin, it's a known limitation. "Security issues" they say. Obviously running explorer from an admin account is more secure than running it as an elevated user according to Vista's logic.

Like I said, you haven't played with file permissions enough to realize why you'd want to run even image viewer as elevated.
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Since you've obviously been running an admin account all this time while I've taken the Linux style of added security by always running as user account and elevating only when needed, you wouldn't realize what works and what doesn't under restricted permissions.

Vista has specifically disabled running explorer as admin, it's a known limitation. "Security issues" they say. Obviously running explorer from an admin account is more secure than running it as an elevated user according to Vista's logic.

Like I said, you haven't played with file permissions enough to realize why you'd want to run even image viewer as elevated.
I primarily use linux and OSX (BSD based, UNIX certified) and I have no idea why you would want to run an image viewer with elevated permissions 0_o
Do you hide your pr0n by giving ownership to the root account or something?
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It's just funny that out of my three fairly identical rigs (Q6600 - XP - 2GB, E6750 - Ubuntu 2GB, E6600 - Vista - 4GB), I ended up using the Vista rig for my daily routine (while it's folding both GPU2 and Win SMP). Maybe it's simply the 2GB extra RAM that makes the difference, but it's the most responsive and most stable rig of the three.
What version of Ubuntu are you running?
Just out of curiosity.

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Since you've obviously been running an admin account all this time while I've taken the Linux style of added security by always running as user account and elevating only when needed, you wouldn't realize what works and what doesn't under restricted permissions.

Vista has specifically disabled running explorer as admin, it's a known limitation. "Security issues" they say. Obviously running explorer from an admin account is more secure than running it as an elevated user according to Vista's logic.

Like I said, you haven't played with file permissions enough to realize why you'd want to run even image viewer as elevated.
Well, as I'm sure you know, Linux was built from the ground up around networking so it is not surprising that file permissions work better. I wish Microsoft would just grow a pair and take some hints from Linux and implement them.
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I really think the Vista lovers haven't done enough XP/Samba to Vista network file transfers, NTFS permission editing, or remote/cmdline administration to realize how broken Vista really is. Explorer (and a bunch of stuff like image viewer) can't even be run as administrator from within a user account? Wow, so much for UAC.

I'm pretty sure Intel has thought over this very well. It would cost them way too much money scratching their heads and figuring out workarounds for Vista problems that they never had with XP, compared to the little "performance benefit with high end systems" and extra bells and whistles that Vista offers.



That's true, but as with any critical software such as the OS, upgrading is a very difficult decision for large organizations due to all the costs involved. Many IT companies are even reluctant to upgrade from Java 1.4 to Java 6, what more with the OS?



Ohhh boy.
I've used Samba to import data into Excel from a Redhat shared folder on a server many times without any issues.....
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Judging by your outdated system and eagerness to make fun of Vista, I would guess you do not have alot of money.
Wow, I thought these types of comments were reserved for the mac fanboys and apple fanatics. What kind of thing to say is that?
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Your looking at it from a consumer's perspective. Businesses have to look at it from a business perspective.

Just like how internet-cafe's in my area use ATi instead of nVidia. Why? Because down the line they can CrossFire a 38xx series with a 48xx if they need more juice to keep up with current and future games, nVidia cannot do that with their line of cards. ATi for the masses, nVidia for the select few. ATi wins.
because all nVidia graphics cards are like the GTX280 right?
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Vista, like ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF WINDOWS needs a few patches to become good. From the sounds of it, SP 1 was a huge jump. If you forget to adjust a setting, you will have an issue. Like someone said before... XP was nice that you didnt do anything and it works. Hell its been around for years, it should be like that.


Windows Vista only has around 9.5% Of the Market right now. While XP is 75%. When XP was as old as Vista is now... XP only had only 29% while 2000 was at 42% and Win98 was at 15%.

Going from XP to Vista is a close battle at least, its not like we are debating on wether to use XP vs 2000. So, i exspect the market to go slower.

Me personaly for a long time, and probably 90% of the typical society dont understand the difference between a Microsoft issue, and the Application Issue. For instance... I have had Firefox crash on me 3x since i was writing this, going back in forth between tabs. Some flash games will freeze up on Firefox, and with a 10% chance of a Blue Screen of Death... But.... If i do it in IE7... Well its 100% computer crash. IE7, sucks... bad move Windows, But Firefox crashes way to much... is that Mozilla issue or Microsoft issue? My desktop with Vista has never crashed since i put the new PSU in there.

Froze for a few seconds on wow at one point, but thats a setting in wow i fixed and havnt happend since. So before you point your finger at Windows, make sure that its not user error, or Application error. Vista isnt user friendly to get everything just right... But in my opinion... you cant get everything right in XP, but at least you dont have to do much.

Sorry for wall of text... =/
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Originally Posted by OpTicaL View Post
Your looking at it from a consumer's perspective. Businesses have to look at it from a business perspective.

Just like how internet-cafe's in my area use ATi instead of nVidia. Why? Because down the line they can CrossFire a 38xx series with a 48xx if they need more juice to keep up with current and future games, nVidia cannot do that with their line of cards. ATi for the masses, nVidia for the select few. ATi wins.
Not for long =/

Windows 7 - Wiki
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Windows 7 has reached the Milestone 1 (M1) stage and has been made available to key partners.[12] According to reports sent to TG Daily, the build adds support for systems using multiple heterogeneous graphics cards and a new version of Windows Media Center.
With that said, it might be a nice upgrade from Vista or XP for sure if your a gamer, regardless of the Extra ram costs. Able to use old Graphics cards is like being able to use old ram. If there is a slot... might as well use it.
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I have been using Vista for a week now.
It took me about 10 hours to get it up and running with Firefox (with old bookmarks) and Forceware drivers.

Here's few problems i have faced during my test drive:

* pictures - vista is incapable to sort images by date taken. There is such feature named, but it just mixes them.
*limited monitor frequencies - installing forceware results monitor shutdown. I have to use another monitor to change the damn frequency to 75hz since 60hz (AND 85hz!!) doesn't work at all. I had no problems with XP or Ubuntu.
I can't imagine myself dragging a monitor every time i want to change some software.
* Dynamic disk support only in Ultimate - the potential is down there, in the sewer
* Vista just loves to set Explorer as my default browser every 2-3 days, like it just did without absolutely no reason.
* it's full of totally useless junk that apparently, i can not remove. I was counting on vlite, but looks like it can't do anything to allready installed os.


At the moment i would rather change back to XP Pro then reinstall Vista again.
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