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For anyone that remembers my post a few weeks ago, I had an asus 780i which was freezing at stock settings (ram set to 2.1), RMA'd it, then got another asus 780i that was freezing at stock settings, RMA's it, and FINALLY I got an asus 780i that is working at stock settings (ran prime95 over 16 hours).

My problem now is trying to get this thing to hit 3.4ghz.

I would like to start off by acknowledging the fact that I know all cpu's and mobos are different, and not all q9450 and 780i's OC the same. My problem is, I think the voltages I have are really high compared to what I have been reading, and I still cannot get prime95 stable.

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.56
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v
I also tried setting nb gtl_ref to +30mv to +50mv still no luck.

Are those voltages high?

The reason I think they are high is because reading not only the asus forum but several others, people are hitting not only 3.4 but 3.6 with voltages MUCH lower than mine. One person is at 3.6 with vcore @ 1.3125 and NB @ 1.42.

Any suggestions?

Full Specs:
CPU: Intel Q9450
Mobo: Asus Striker II Formula 780i - BIOS 1305
RAM: 2x2gb Corsair Dominators DDR2-1066
GPU: Asus 8800gts 512mb (G92)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 850w
HD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb 3.0gb/s SATA

***EDIT: I have been reading on the Asus forums that BIOS 1305 is giving some people issues. OC's that would run on previous BIOS versions do not run on 1305, and people said they tried to really crank their voltages in 1305 with no luck. I am going to reflash my BIOS to a previous version.
Edited by Merton - 6/26/08 at 5:54am
post #2 of 8
****ing hell.

There was nothing wrong with your board. At all. Niether of them. Just the BIOS revisions. I had no end of **** right up until 1305, which sorted out my random BSOD's, memory IRQ errors and my inability to clock over 2.83ghz.

Now, I can help here. I'm running a Q9450 at 3.6ghz stable and I've got the same board and some PC8500 RAM.

Anyway.

If the memory is sli ready, enable it and set it to expert. Go into your voltages and (for god sake) set them ALL to auto, except memory, which you should set to about 2.1 (I'm smack bang on 2.1) Get rid of the C1 and start playing with the FSB in unlinked mode.

I have those exact settings and I'm FSB 1800mhz (450) right now and it's stable. I think 1800 is the board limit because anything past 1850 is unstable and I'm not adding more volts to this as it's running hot and I honestly don't want to fry my chip before next year.

(god dman it people are stupid. Two boards RMA'd for nothing? Bet they love you)

EDIT

And yeah, your voltages are too damn high. Especially your NB, you're going to fry it at that voltage. Anything over 1.4 is considered excessive.

Also, I don't mean to get offensive, but today I've seen 8 people (seriously) say they've RMA'd equipment that hasn't needed it. When I try to RMA stuff that actually needs RMAing (like bad memory that I've test) retailers are iffy about the whole thing and I have to bust into some jargon and flex my know how to confuse the buggery out of them and make them realise I'm not the driod they're looking for.
Edited by Shin2k35 - 6/26/08 at 6:20am
    
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****ing hell.

There was nothing wrong with your board. At all. Niether of them. Just the BIOS revisions. I had no end of **** right up until 1305, which sorted out my random BSOD's, memory IRQ errors and my inability to clock over 2.83ghz.



(god dman it people are stupid. Two boards RMA'd for nothing? Bet they love you)
First, thank you for your advice.

Second, don't be an ******* and assume things.

With my past TWO motherboards, I ran 3 different BIOS's. 1101, 1303, AND 1305. With ALL of them, I could not run stable at 2.6ghz (stock settings with ram set to 2.1v).

And just so you know, the last mobo I RMA'd, it would not post if I set ram any higher than 850mhz. I had to reset CMOS.

I know what I am doing. I didn't ****ing RMA two boards for nothing.

So please tell me, why should I have no RMA'd those two motherboards, when I was running BIOS 1305 on them? I would love to hear your story, espcially since you dealt with the motherboards that I owned.

You better have a good story, because I tried 2 different CPU's, 3 sticks of ram, and different power supply (took one from my old rig [650w]).

EDIT: Also, when I pay $299 for a motherboard. It better work the way I want it to work.
Edited by Merton - 6/26/08 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by Shin2k35 View Post
And yeah, your voltages are too damn high. Especially your NB, you're going to fry it at that voltage. Anything over 1.4 is considered excessive.
I have also heard from several OC'ing website (guru3d, xtreme overclockers, asus forum, etc) that setting voltages to AUTO is not a good idea.

Also, NB can easily go up to 1.5v. You should not push NB over 1.55v (although I did) without proper cooling. At 1.55v, my NB is at 70c load, which is fine. Anything under 80c will not harm the components.
post #5 of 8
Chill yourself, mate.

I own this board, too, you know? Check my sig. I'm using it right now.

I couldn't get my 1066mhz RAM to boot past 667mhz for a month. The board was underclocking my RAM like a bastard and I was powerless. Eventually, I read in the OCZ forums about upping the voltage and manually setting to expert mode (the combination of the two. Couldn't be one or the other otherwise I wouldn't get past the CPU INIT) When I finally got my RAM running at 1066mhz, I was getting BSOD's and all sorts every few hours, perhaps every ten minutes (this was with Vista 32/64bit and XP 32/64bit) I was at my wits end, but I knew the board worked fine because when it did work, it ****ing worked! But I couldn't get it to overclock, at all. Nothing past 2.83ghz. Even running stock was a hassle for it.

Then, last week, I updated to 1305 from 1205 and voila, I've not had a single problem since and I'm running at aforementioned frequencies at 37C idle right now (I'm running far too hot under load, but I'm getting a new cooler soon and thus am avoiding running programs at 100% CPU)

Anyway, the reason I suspect your RAM wouldn't post past 850mhz was the BIOS and that's the reason I suspect you RMA'd a perfectly good board. You were lucky, you got over 667mhz, at least.

So, onto actually helping you.

Right, first off. Setting voltages to auto is just fine. Why do you think they're all set to auto initially? I'm only talking from my experience. I have our CPU clocked at 3.6ghz at stock voltages (vcore is at 1.216v). So, I think you overvolting your componants is unnecessary right now.

I'm willing to spend my time here with you and help you out, so, if you will, set everything to auto, then raise the NB to 1.38-1.4v and the memory to 2.2v (make sure the RAM can handle that, if not, adjust accordingly. Mines rated at 2.4, so I run at 2.1, but you've already tried 2.1) Take off Loadline Calibration (for now) and remove C1 and EIST (if you haven't already) leave the CPU FSB settings to auto and finally, if your RAM is SLI ready (not a clue if it is) enable that and set to Expert (I feel like an expert at handling this board now. There's so many problems people are having!)

I'll be hanging around for a while so post your results!

(P.S

Clearly you got offended at what I had said. I can see why, but I felt your reply was unjust/unneeded. However, I apologise and I should've made it much clearer it was a general rant at the idiotic masses that read the internets and assume word of law. IE, if it doesn't work then you send it back. Whereas in the days of old, if it didn't work, you were told to piss off and RTFM. I personally feel validated because I called my retailer and they wanted me to RMA my board (I refused), a week later and it's fine (I did call the lads at OCUK to let them know it was ok and gave them advice on the issue)

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On the past two motherboards I RMA'd I have set my memory voltage to not only 2.1v but also 2.2v (just incase there was voltage droop). I tried this setting on 3 different BIOS's.

Also, I set SLI-Enabled memory to Enabled Expert on those last two motherboards.

On my current motherboard, I have SLI-enabled Expert, and I can adjust ram perfectly.

I have already disabled:
C1e, virtualization, disabled bit, and speed step. I always disable those 4 settings right away in BIOS.

Here is exactly what I did yesterday (I played with all settings for literally 5 hours):

EDIT: Added quotes every other to make it easier to read and see which attempts are which.

Quote:
Attempt #1, BIOS 1305: (all features I listed above disabled)
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3125
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.42
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD after 5 min of prime
Attempt #2, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3325
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.42
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD

Quote:
Attempt #3, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.42
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD
Attempt #4, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.50
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD after 5 min of prime

Quote:
Attempt #5, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.52
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD
Attempt #6, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.54
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD (prime ran ~40min)

Quote:
Attempt #7, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.54
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD
Attempt #8, BIOS 1305:
SLI-Enabled Memory: Enabled EXPERT
FSB: 1700
Mem mhz: 1066 (timings set to 5-5-5-15 2T)

Loadline Calibration ENABLED
CPU Voltage: 1.3375
PLL: Auto
VTT: 1.40
Mem voltage: 2.20
NB Voltage: 1.56
SB Voltage: 1.50
1.2v: 1.25v

BSOD

(glad I kept a log lol)

(and I wasn't offended with what you said, I just hate when people assume things. The motherboards WERE bad, I tried 3 different BIOS's, 2 CPUs, 3 sticks of ram, and a different PSU. I could not run stable at 2.6ghz with all voltages set to auto EXCEPT ram which was at 2.1 and also tried 2.2.)
Edited by Merton - 6/26/08 at 7:24am
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What error messages were they?

IRQ NOT LESS THAN EQUAL

MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Either of those or similar?

EDIT:

I think there's a third that just displays a code and not a name at the top.
    
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What error messages were they?

IRQ NOT LESS THAN EQUAL

MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Either of those or similar?

EDIT:

I think there's a third that just displays a code and not a name at the top.
I can't remember off the top of my head.

I know for a fact it wasn't IRQ NOT LESS THAN EQUAL. That error occurs when you boot with ram under volted (I am sure there are other reasons as well).

I am also pretty sure it was not MEMORY MANAGEMENT although it could have been.

All I can remember is that it would do a physical memory dump.

EDIT: Reading the asus striker II forumula forums (http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx...Language=en-us) There are several people that claim they cannot get their OC to work in BIOS 1305, but it worked in 1101 and 1303.
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