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I have a single 8800GTX now. Up until this morning I had two, but decided to return the second because I could not get SLI working... blast... I need help with my graphics dilemma as I do not know what to do.



Considering the info below...



A) What SINGLE card will net me the best performance?

(if the 9800GX2 needs SLI to function at its level of apparent pwnage, then it is out of the question, 4870x2... may be ok, I also know that the 9800 will give me absolute 0 noticeable improvement)

B) It seems that my options are the 8800GTX (woot), 4870, and GTX 280. anything else I should know about?

C) the GTX 280 seems a bit pricey, how much better than the 8800 will a 280/4870 be??? is it even worth it?

D) I enjoy massive textures in games, meaning more memory = good. Perhaps these cards are already overkill, but I want Oblivion at the max with user made textures (i.e. the 4098x4098 ones)... will the 512mb of memory on the 4870 hinder me here?

E) Should I wait for the 4870x2 to arrive? Will the XFire Catalyst drivers mess with my nVidia chipset?


Thanks in advance,
ExiledDuke

BTW: I rep when help is given


INFO


1) I have two screens, a 1650 wide and a 1600 standard aspect.

2) I love my 8800GTX... still think that it is THE best out there... beats the 9800 at higher resolutions, has lasted me for a good long time, has the usual BFG warranty (not this 9800GTX 1 year shens...)

3) I do not know which brand of ATI to go with... which one is the BFG of ATI?

4) I play Supreme Commander: Forged alliance, CS:S, and Crysis. I love crysis, not just the usual "oooh shiny" most people look at it for. I think it was well done, yada yada. I play other games, but those are the performance hogs.

5) I am unsatisfied with my Crysis FPS. I need more, and SLI doesn't work, worse, I STILL can't open the nvidia control panel. I have not reinstalled drivers since I pulled the 2nd 8800, but this crashing control panel is straight up CRAP.

6) nVidia drivers suck.

7) I have an MSI P7N Diamond, and it is a great board, may be causing some of these issues, but it is great. problem is... nVidia drivers suck. Those folks at nVidia make glorious GPUs, indiscriminately fund R&D, yet still can't give their software boys enough funding to write ATI quality drivers.

8) My graphics history has been such... 5200fx, PNY 6200gt, Sapphire x800GTO^2, BFG 8800gts 320mb, BFG 8800GTX (someone bought my GTS 320 for more than I paid, and I found a good deal on the GTX...)

8b) I am an nVidia/intel guy, I have no memory of my experience with the x800. Ex: I bought the 6200 and x800 to play Oblivion.

9) I have ATI in my laptop, it is nice, the drivers are good, and the controls intuitive.

10) I prefer nVidia slightly, as, no flames here k?, the red-ness of ATI cards would look terrible in my case, and I find it rather ugly. I have a BLACK PCB BFG and it is dead sexy
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if you want to game at the highest res the gtx280 is by far the best as it has the vram/bandwidth to cope.
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A) I'd rather go for the 4870 right now due to the price/performance ratio. 2 of them can beat the GTX 280.

B) Go for the 9800GTX+ or the 4870 if you like the price right now.
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wait 2 more weeks and you will see the prices.
    
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From this very forum.
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-amd-wins.html

Just one of the screenies



But yes the 4870 can be had for $299 and the 4850 can be had for $150 from newegg right now..check the deals section of this board.

The 260 and 280's? Going for $450 and $600 right? Look at the benches. The Nvidia's are not worth $300 more.
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Sounds like you're going to want a GTX280
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anyone know anything about the 4870x2.

Maybe it was me, maybe it was that my two cards were not identical (one had a black PCB, and one an off-black "brown" PCB, both g80's from BFG... same stepping too) but...

SLI DID NOT WORK. (just to make clear)

so...

1) what about the 4870x2?

2) I am 99% sure the answer is no, but can I run xFire on nVidia mobos? (got a 780i and keeping it)

3) will I see marked improvement?

4) the gtx 280 drivers seem immature, yet the specs seem EPIC... any chance nVidia can get its software sht together and put out a driver that does not crash/increases performance? or does nVidia just suck at drivers...? (remember the article about nVidia drivers causing most Vista crashes?)
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Originally Posted by ExiledDuke View Post
anyone know anything about the 4870x2.

Maybe it was me, maybe it was that my two cards were not identical (one had a black PCB, and one an off-black "brown" PCB, both g80's from BFG... same stepping too) but...

SLI DID NOT WORK. (just to make clear)

so...

1) what about the 4870x2?

2) I am 99% sure the answer is no, but can I run xFire on nVidia mobos? (got a 780i and keeping it)

3) will I see marked improvement?

4) the gtx 280 drivers seem immature, yet the specs seem EPIC... any chance nVidia can get its software sht together and put out a driver that does not crash/increases performance? or does nVidia just suck at drivers...? (remember the article about nVidia drivers causing most Vista crashes?)
1)It won't be out until about August but it's expected to beat the GTX280

2)The 4870X2 can run on nvidia mobos but Crossfire doesn't work on em (So you can't like crossfire 2 4870's or anything)

3)Yes

4)I think I read somewhere that they'll probably come out with a 55nm shrink of it. Optimizing probably won't be a big priority if they do do that. Still, expect to see some improvements as drivers mature
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The beauty of Crossfire is if you have a crossfire motherboard you can buy a 4870 now and when the 4870X2 comes out you'll be able to crossfire, having 3 physical GPUs. After reading all the reviews, I must say that the 280GTX is not worth $300+ for 10% performance lead over the 4870; maybe $400-$450, but not $650.
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post #10 of 24
I think the 4870X2 will pwn when it comes out. I have a 4850, and it performs very well. I used to like Nvidia (I still do), but I think right now, ATI is just outperforming them and is way better priced.
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