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I am not telling you to go Crossfire now, but I am advising you to be prepared (i.e. a Crossfire ready mobo, which you already picked, and a PSU capable of handling two cards). Right now, the 19" doesn't require Crossfire, but once you get that bigger screen... you' might want it (and the 4870 might be quite cheap by then).

New list (all from www.directcanada.com, except the video card, which is from www.ncix.com)
  • Liteon LH-20A1L DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 8X SATA Lightscribe Black DVD Writer $28.62CAD
  • Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive $84.88CAD
  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.66GHZ Yorkfield $339.99CAD
  • DFI LP Dk X48-T2RS Intel X48 ATX LGA775 $231.77CAD
  • G.SKILL F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-8000 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 $118.80CAD
  • Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply $107.10CAD
  • OCZ Vendetta 2 Triple Heatpipe CPU Heatsink $39.90CAD
  • Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case $102.23CAD
  • Visiontek Radeon HD 4870 512MB GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI-I Video Card $314.99CAD
Total: $1,368.28 (should be a bit over $1,500 after tax/shipping)

Notes:
  1. DDR3 is overpriced and not worth the money. I agree with the OP on that
  2. No need for any extravagant cooling with a Q9450. A good heatsink like this OCZ is all you need. The Q9450 runs cooler than the Q6x00 series, and is more voltage limited than temperature limited.
  3. Again, I'd get the 640GB WD drive. This is a newer design than the 750GB version and is an excellent performer (dual platters!).

If your dad is willing/allowing $1,800... why not spend the extra money on a nice monitor? Maybe the second 4870 will be the boxing day surprise
Edited by Chozart - 6/27/08 at 4:53pm
    
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Well, today's technology is pointing at DDR3 without a doubt man, consider that if u want ur PC to get a longer life.
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Well, today's technology is pointing at DDR3 without a doubt man, consider that if u want ur PC to get a longer life.
Tomorrow's technology is DDR3. Today's technology is still DDR2.

One of the reasons I advice against DDR3 is Nehalem. Only with Nehalem will DDR3 make sense, since there will be a CPU that can actually benefit of the bandwidth of DDR3. Right now, DDR3 offers no advantage.

Since Nehalem will be using a new socket and socket LGA775(T) it on it's way out, I see no reason to spend the money on DDR3 right now. By the time Nehalem comes out, DDR3 will be faster, cheaper, and finally becoming mainstream. For any rig you buy now, DDR3 is a waste. Plus, any high-end PC will only last for about ~2 years at the very most, and the rig I proposed will do so. Including DDR3 will not extend that lifespan in any way.

PS: please use proper English and not 'shorthand'. It's 'you', and not 'u'. The TOS is pretty clear about that.
    
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post #14 of 51
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Is there anything wrong with the mobo? Asus Rampage Formula?

lol boxing day is a long way from now so my 19" will keep me company for a little longer.
Is it still a bad choice to go with Corsair Rams? Also do I really need a cpu cooler? Aren't the stock Intel ones good enough?
Edited by sandini_power - 6/27/08 at 5:21pm
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post #15 of 51
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Tomorrow's technology is DDR3. Today's technology is still DDR2.

One of the reasons I advice against DDR3 is Nehalem. Only with Nehalem will DDR3 make sense, since there will be a CPU that can actually benefit of the bandwidth of DDR3. Right now, DDR3 offers no advantage.

Since Nehalem will be using a new socket and socket LGA775(T) it on it's way out, I see no reason to spend the money on DDR3 right now. By the time Nehalem comes out, DDR3 will be faster, cheaper, and finally becoming mainstream. For any rig you buy now, DDR3 is a waste. Plus, any high-end PC will only last for about ~2 years at the very most, and the rig I proposed will do so. Including DDR3 will not extend that lifespan in any way.

PS: please use proper English and not 'shorthand'. It's 'you', and not 'u'. The TOS is pretty clear about that.


Wow don't you think you're being a bit hard on that?
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post #16 of 51
Whatever Chozart said is the best idea i think. I'm not really familiar with Canada's availbility on goods but his ideas of sticking with ddr2, crossfire ready chips and psu is important. And, you probably would want to buy now, and wouldn't probably buy NEHALEM when it comes out. Technologies advance quickly, inferring that prices change quikly as well thus always in doubt that your system is very outdated(whenever new one comes out). Don't look into far future, but near future. Near future is HD4870 not Nehalem and DDR3. Overclock and other studies of technology goes far beyond getting best performance from best chips(even caveman know that), but getting good performance from bad chips(that's what pros think).
Edited by legendor - 6/27/08 at 5:26pm
    
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post #17 of 51
the Rampage is a nice board, but just overpriced. The DFI I linked (and the Asus P5E Deluxe for that matter) offer the same features (except a few you never use), and the same overclockability (The DFI probably better, since it's, well, DFI) for a lower price. I'd never go for the top-end models.

I am not a fan of Corsair RAM at all (although I love their PSUs). Yeah, it's decent RAM, but overpriced. G.Skill and Crucial are better brands in general... and I'd probably pick OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, and SuperTalent before I will buy Corsair.

Don't spend money on components you don't *need* to spend money on. Why not try to cut down a little, convince your dad to spend $1800 and get that 22" monitor RIGHT NOW!!! (And ask for the second 4870 for boxing day, or something else cool).

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Wow don't you think you're being a bit hard on that?
Not the least. I seriously believe that DDR3 is a premature birth. Again, socket LGA will be gone within a year. It's striking to me that many chipsets come with support for both DDR2 and DDR3. Since it's the same chipset, they use the same (possibly slightly modified) memory controller(!). Since this memory controller is designed primarily for use with DDR2 and simply adjusted to run DDR3, it doesn't even take advantage of the features of DDR3 (except of the higher speed, which isn't of much use with the current CPUs).
Edited by Chozart - 6/27/08 at 5:28pm
    
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Chozart, I think he means the language part.....
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Chozart, I think he means the language part.....
LOL... hahaha maybe a little. But hey.. it's the TOS (No internet jargon).
    
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post #20 of 51
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
the Rampage is a nice board, but just overpriced. The DFI I linked (and the Asus P5E Deluxe for that matter) offer the same features (except a few you never use), and the same overclockability (The DFI probably better, since it's, well, DFI) for a lower price. I'd never go for the top-end models.

I am not a fan of Corsair RAM at all (although I love their PSUs). Yeah, it's decent RAM, but overpriced. G.Skill and Crucial are better brands in general... and I'd probably pick OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin, and SuperTalent before I will buy Corsair.

Don't spend money on components you don't *need* to spend money on. Why not try to cut down a little, convince your dad to spend $1800 and get that 22" monitor RIGHT NOW!!! (And ask for the second 4870 for boxing day, or something else cool).



Not the least. I seriously believe that DDR3 is a premature birth. Again, socket LGA will be gone within a year. It's striking to me that many chipsets come with support for both DDR2 and DDR3. Since it's the same chipset, they use the same (possibly slightly modified) memory controller(!). Since this memory controller is designed primarily for use with DDR2 and simply adjusted to run DDR3, it doesn't even take advantage of the features of DDR3 (except of the higher speed, which isn't of much use with the current CPUs).
By the P5E do u mean this one http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...848&cid=MB.157
From these brand OCZ, Patriot, Mushkin. and Kingston which one do you suggest. I can't go with the G.Skill because the place i'm getting it from doesn't have G.Skill, I dont really like online shopping either
here is the place that i'm getting these from www.canadacomputers.com

Also do I really need a cpu cooler? Aren't the stock Intel ones good enough?
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