Originally Posted by A Russian :D
i think from the pic above you can see why its only 40% yields
Ati 4870 twice as smaller so AMD gets around 70-80% good ones
and Intel is like 90% :O
but thats because graphics cards are more complex then CPU's
I'd pay i little more for a Evga 4870FTW id there was on
Yields have nothing to do with the area of the die. Yields tell you how many chips you make actually work.
So for example, if ATI and Nvidia both had 50% yields, ATI would still get a lot more chips out of a wafer than Nvidia because their chip is smaller.
I would beg to differ than graphics cards are more advanced than CPU's.
Originally Posted by darkcloud89
In the end, I doubt that the 9800GTX+ is really enough to change anything. The only role it really plays is that it gives Nvidia fanboys an alternative the the HD4850. It's biggest problem is that in the games that it does manage to pull ahead of the HD4850, it's by a very slim margin:
However, in the games that it loses, the difference between the GTX+ and the HD4850 is typically bigger.
If you take that into account and realize that driver optimizations will only help the HD4850 while the GTX+ isn't going to benefit as much since the driver is already matured, that leads me to belive that the HD4850 is still the better card to buy. If that still isn't convincing enough, factory OC'd HD4850's will likely debut at the same time as the GTX+.
I think that the 9800GTX and the 9800GTX+ are going to be very competitive with the 4850. In many cases it depends on the the performance you are looking for (9800GTX+ versus 4850 and 9800GTX+ SLI versus 4850CF is a BIG difference), what kind of hardware you already have, and what games you play.
If you already have a Nforce motherboard (I pity you) and you are looking for high end performance SLI 9800GTX+ is the way to go.
If you don't have a Nforce motherboard and you are looking for high end performance CF 4850's is the way to go.
Then of course CF scales better than SLI in some games and vice versa. So what games do you play?
You point is valid that the 4850 does a lot better in ETQW than the 9800GTX+, but they are both over 60FPS and this is at 1920x1200 at 4X AA. Whats the difference?
The 9800GTX+ will consume less power than the 4850, and this may be important to you.
I would never consider, and never recommend that someone chooses their videocard based on speculation of future drivers. This is foolish. Drivers never live up to their hype.
The 4850 is a good card, no doubt. What I am trying to get at is that it isn't as simple at you make it to be. Someone who buys a 9800GTX+ is not inherently a fanboy, and I lose respect for you and anyone else who uses "fanboy" as an arguement.
People shouldn't forget about the 8800GT, 8800GT SLI, and 9800GX2 as well. They are priced competively.