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Sorry to put a damper on your spirits but 90% of what you just said is false lol. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Not to put a damper on your spirits, but they've been saying soon for a long time now, lol.
There's no way it will be released in March. First they have to issue the release date, which is always several weeks or more in advance of the release.
I meant a release date announcement in March. They already said Q2 launch, so they couldn't release March... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Also, the way Blizzard usually does things is they have an open beta before the release too. They haven't done that yet. I don't see why they'd do it any differently this time.
Blizzard does NOT always do open betas. If you want me to find you a link stating D3 will not have an open beta, let me know. It will take a while to search the forums though. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I forgot to mention the commercials. They will want to air commercials for weeks or months before a release to get it well known before launch. The commercials will likely start once they have an official release date so they can put it in the commercials. With how much has went into the game, they are going to try and get everyone they can to buy it to make back all of their money spent on development
This part I am unsure of. I don't think I ever saw a SC2 commercial, only WoW. I could definitely picture some D3 commercials, but word of mouth will do a lot of advertising itself.
Also, http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4081813178#7
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Just about everything is set as it will be at release. There will certainly be tweaks here and there, and some small improvements, but no, we don't have any current plans to change the chat channel interface.
We understand the requests, and have seen some of the creative suggestions, but we're in the home stretch and aren't looking to delay the release of the game further. Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they're more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn't outweigh releasing the game.
I like the sound of that... They released patch 13 last saturday, Bashiok posted on the forums at 4 AM today. They're putting in A LOT of extra hours. It's definitely the home stretch.

Are you serious? You are seriously trying to start an argument over something which is completely hypothetical? They said Q1 a few months ago... Q1 is now almost over. Now they said Q2... they've been doing this for years, where have you been? All of the stores had a release date of December 2011 up until 2012 because they had previously said they were going to release it then... I guess I'm 90% wrong about this too, right?

I'm going to bookmark this post so when the game doesn't get released in Q2 I can throw it back at you since you want to argue over something that neither one of us has any real idea about. Beyond that, flame away. It's all nothing but OPINION and false hope.
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Are you serious? You are seriously trying to start an argument over something which is completely hypothetical? They said Q1 a few months ago... Q1 is now almost over. Now they said Q2... they've been doing this for years, where have you been? All of the stores had a release date of December 2011 up until 2012 because they had previously said they were going to release it then... I guess I'm 90% wrong about this too, right?
I'm going to bookmark this post so when the game doesn't get released in Q2 I can throw it back at you since you want to argue over something that neither one of us has any real idea about. Beyond that, flame away. It's all nothing but OPINION and false hope.

Trying to inform, not argue. Bashiok redacted his Q1 state seconds after saying it. They officially delayed to "Early 2012" in September. Q1 was never official, just what everyone assumed.

All signs atm point toward a Q2 release with the date announcement coming in the "near future" (which I'm guessing to be March).

Store release dates are bogus. They don't know anything more than the general public when it comes to the release dates of Blizzard games. Blizzard has stated this. Unfortunately no one knows til it comes from the horse's mouth.

You can come throw the post back at me if you want if it's delayed again. Don't really care because you're right. I have no inside information, just going off of what's readily available and trying to spread my knowledge. smile.gif
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Trying to inform, not argue. Bashiok redacted his Q1 state seconds after saying it. They officially delayed to "Early 2012" in September. Q1 was never official, just what everyone assumed.
All signs atm point toward a Q2 release with the date announcement coming in the "near future" (which I'm guessing to be March).
Store release dates are bogus. They don't know anything more than the general public when it comes to the release dates of Blizzard games. Blizzard has stated this. Unfortunately no one knows til it comes from the horse's mouth.
You can come throw the post back at me if you want if it's delayed again. Don't really care because you're right. I have no inside information, just going off of what's readily available and trying to spread my knowledge. smile.gif

Fair enough.

If they do release it as soon as you would like the game is going to be a failure though. The skill system in place outright sucks. Building a character is non-existent in the current beta. That was one of the core features in Diablo and provided for TONS of replayability. Learning every skill on every character based on level is just dumb. I only need one of each class and I have every available build. There would be no point to make a new character of the same class to build it differently since all you have to do is swap skills.

They've already started down that path for World of Warcraft too. The last time I played in Cataclysm it was dumbed down a lot. That game is also far too easy to be any fun any more. It appeals to kids who used Gamesharks and cheat codes for every game they ever played.

If they do that to D3 I'll not be supporting it. I own 3 hard copies of LoD and several keys I bought from people online. I'll not spend a dime on D3 in it's current state. I know many other long-time D2 players who feel the same way. Diablo II has remained untouched by other companies attempting to clone it for over 12 years now for a reason.

Diablo III in it's current state will be like Dragon Age 2... it will appeal to a few people as ANY game does (namely the Blizzard butt kissers who like anything that Blizzard does for some reason). But it will be a complete and utter failure.

Building characters was part of the holy trinity of the Diablo series. They have basically taken the leg off of a 3-legged chair.
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Fair enough.
If they do release it as soon as you would like the game is going to be a failure though. The skill system in place outright sucks. Building a character is non-existent in the current beta. That was one of the core features in Diablo and provided for TONS of replayability. Learning every skill on every character based on level is just dumb. I only need one of each class and I have every available build. There would be no point to make a new character of the same class to build it differently since all you have to do is swap skills.
They've already started down that path for World of Warcraft too. The last time I played in Cataclysm it was dumbed down a lot. That game is also far too easy to be any fun any more. It appeals to kids who used Gamesharks and cheat codes for every game they ever played.
If they do that to D3 I'll not be supporting it. I own 3 hard copies of LoD and several keys I bought from people online. I'll not spend a dime on D3 in it's current state. I know many other long-time D2 players who feel the same way. Diablo II has remained untouched by other companies attempting to clone it for over 12 years now for a reason.
Diablo III in it's current state will be like Dragon Age 2... it will appeal to a few people as ANY game does (namely the Blizzard butt kissers who like anything that Blizzard does for some reason). But it will be a complete and utter failure.
Building characters was part of the holy trinity of the Diablo series. They have basically taken the leg off of a 3-legged chair.

Yes! I totally agree with you dude. I've been one of the posters on the forums supporting the many threads about this so-called "customization", it's crap. It really is. The game is so freaking casual ever since they started making changes since December or so. Pisses me off.

Still going to get the collector's edition and play the crap out of though, I'm sure it will still be fun. But it won't last like D2 did. Guaranteed.
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That's good to hear! I'm glad some people have some sense. The beta forums seem to be overrun with teens who have no real grasp of what an epic game should feel like. (Not that all teens are like that, but a lot are) It's a hornet's nest in those forums. Don't post anything for or against the game unless you want to fight off trolls. biggrin.gif
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Unfortunately, any thread that disagrees with Blizzard's choices gets insta-reported on those forums. It really is sad.

You weren't lying. I thought they might get reported but I didn't really believe that Blizzard would take action for simply disagreeing with their changes.

I was just banned from posting on the beta forums and had all of my posts deleted simply because I voiced my opinion about the skill tree. I was not swearing and throwing insults. But I made a very compelling argument in my opinion. I believe that's why they removed my posting privileges. What the heck? Just for providing feedback? What's the forum for then? They should put it in the posting rules, "No negative feedback about our game changes in any way."

I mean they don't even have polls so everyone can see what the majority of the posters want. Why not? Probably because they really don't care. They are going to do whatever they feel like doing. Also, most of the people on the forums are friends and family of the developers, so... you know where I'm going.

I wholeheartedly believe now that all Blizzard wants is people to kiss their ass and tell them they love the crappy changes they make. Well they can keep their butchered game. If they don't like my opinion that's fine. But banning people for disagreeing with their views is just wrong.

I haven't even tried to log in to the beta again, but I believe my account still has access since it shows in my account management page. It matters little, I'm not logging in to Battle.net again. They have just lost a loyal customer.

I'll be playing Torchlight 2. It's more Diablo than Diablo III, and that's just sad.
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Unfortunately, any thread that disagrees with Blizzard's choices gets insta-reported on those forums. It really is sad.

You weren't lying. I thought they might get reported but I didn't really believe that Blizzard would take action for simply disagreeing with their changes.

I was just banned from posting on the beta forums and had all of my posts deleted simply because I voiced my opinion about the skill tree. I was not swearing and throwing insults. But I made a very compelling argument in my opinion. I believe that's why they removed my posting privileges. What the heck? Just for providing feedback? What's the forum for then? They should put it in the posting rules, "No negative feedback about our game changes in any way."

I mean they don't even have polls so everyone can see what the majority of the posters want. Why not? Probably because they really don't care. They are going to do whatever they feel like doing. Also, most of the people on the forums are friends and family of the developers, so... you know where I'm going.

I wholeheartedly believe now that all Blizzard wants is people to kiss their ass and tell them they love the crappy changes they make. Well they can keep their butchered game. If they don't like my opinion that's fine. But banning people for disagreeing with their views is just wrong.

I haven't even tried to log in to the beta again, but I believe my account still has access since it shows in my account management page. It matters little, I'm not logging in to Battle.net again. They have just lost a loyal custome.

I'll be playing Torchlight 2. It's more Diablo than Diablo III, and that's just sad.

Yeah dude it's terrible. We call them "white knights". They're the ones that flood those forums with "blizz can do no wrong". They seriously revoked your posting privileges?? What did you write? I'm very curious, because they don't moderate as much as their white knight force just reports threads.

Get this dude, about the whole butt kissing thing. Diablo Inc gamers is the biggest d3 fansite. They were one of the only sites to NOT get beta keys to hand out. Where as small sites like d3sanc got some. Wanna know why? Blizz has "blacklisted" inc gamers because of a post they made regarding sc2 a while back. They seriously love their "fansites" that repost anything blizz puts on the d3 homepage. I've also heard that at blizzcon and such, most all of the q&a panels are scripted. The fansite members that they invite to come and ask questions are questions that Blizzard has already chosen (to some degree). It's all heavily moderated. It sucks.
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Yeah dude it's terrible. We call them "white knights". They're the ones that flood those forums with "blizz can do no wrong". They seriously revoked your posting privileges?? What did you write? I'm very curious, because they don't moderate as much as their white knight force just reports threads.
Get this dude, about the whole butt kissing thing. Diablo Inc gamers is the biggest d3 fansite. They were one of the only sites to NOT get beta keys to hand out. Where as small sites like d3sanc got some. Wanna know why? Blizz has "blacklisted" inc gamers because of a post they made regarding sc2 a while back. They seriously love their "fansites" that repost anything blizz puts on the d3 homepage. I've also heard that at blizzcon and such, most all of the q&a panels are scripted. The fansite members that they invite to come and ask questions are questions that Blizzard has already chosen (to some degree). It's all heavily moderated. It sucks.

I never go to official forums so I don't know how bad it is there but seriously I don't even want to buy the game if that is how they handle the community
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Yeah dude it's terrible. We call them "white knights". They're the ones that flood those forums with "blizz can do no wrong". They seriously revoked your posting privileges?? What did you write? I'm very curious, because they don't moderate as much as their white knight force just reports threads.

I'm still a little too upset to even try to reproduce the exact post. They have me a little steamed to put it mildly. Especially after more than a decade of loyal support to be kicked to the curb like this. Even if I wanted to, I could not make such a heartfelt post involving Blizzard ever again. Not after that slap in the face. That's also why it cuts even deeper. Because it hit on a personal level.


Basically I pointed out how the holy trinity of Diablo is to build characters, find loot, and kill things. No matter what changes were made to the game, the holy trinity should not be tampered with and I didn't have any objections to any changes outside of this trinity.

Then I pointed out how with the current skill system that building characters was no longer existent and that they had broken the holy trinity. The only way to fix it is to restore the skill trees.

The actual post was more drawn out and detailed. I've already posted in here before about how this effects replayability and whatnot. So I will leave it out of this post.

Then within minutes there were a few posts saying things such as, "Right on man!" It wasn't but a couple of more minutes before the "White Knights" as you call them jumped in and started trolling. Then a flame war ensued. Within about 25 minutes from the time I posted it was removed as was every single post I had ever made on the forum. I went to make a new post asking why when I noticed I couldn't post anymore. I never received an email or anything explaining why.

I see some other posts on there which are against Blizzard changes, but why did they single mine out? I'm guessing it was because I struck a nerve with one of the moderators. If it was because of the flame war, that's nothing new on there and I didn't actually start it. So I don't get it.


Since I couldn't get any answers I made a ticket for harassment on Diablo III and reported Blizzard as the person harassing me. I got a laugh out of it and it made me feel a little better at least. I got this response within 10 minutes:

"Hi xxxxx,

Thank you for submitting this information. We are committed to making our games as enjoyable as possible. We apologize if our Customer Support staff has been unable to resolve your issue to your satisfaction. Rest assured, your concerns will be forwarded to the appropriate departments. While we cannot guarantee a response, we can assure you it will be read and addressed."

The ticket was marked as answered and I haven't heard anything yet, nor do I expect to hear anything. I just want to know why. I don't think I'll ever really know. But I can never play another Blizzard made game ever again. To hell with them.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore because I don't think I can do it without getting rude or just being negative in general. So it's better if I refrain. I'd like to meet the moderator face to face though... we have some things to discuss.
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The ticket was marked as answered and I haven't heard anything yet, nor do I expect to hear anything. I just want to know why. I don't think I'll ever really know. But I can never play another Blizzard made game ever again. To hell with them.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore because I don't think I can do it without getting rude or just being negative in general. So it's better if I refrain. I'd like to meet the moderator face to face though... we have some things to discuss.

Dang dude, freaking ridiculous. It's unfair, really. It seems like Blizzard has been dropping the ball in almost every aspect lately... It's hard to say since they haven't released a game since Cataclysm, (which from what I hear, sucked) but seriously between poor community management and completely ignoring outcries for game design suggestions that 99% of the freaking forum agrees on (see these threads) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show) YEAH there's THAT many...

Sorry for the rants OP, but I'm glad that there are others here that share my opinion on Blizzard as a company atm.

I'm still hoping for the best for D3 and looking forward to it. I know I will love the game even if it's super casual now. Nothing will ever be a D2 remake, have to accept that.
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