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You're right. It would have been WAY more innovative if they threw the same skill tree in that every other ARPG has done for the past 10 years.
Or the fact that every other ARPG out there allows each of the skills to be customized in five different ways to change their visual presentation and effects. Oh wait... rolleyes.gif
Heaven forbid Blizzard tries to take a different approach in moving the genre that they created forward and enticing more players to try out Diablo.
Dang, Blizzard really missed the mark.

Tries. Fails. Done.

Edit: Also, Would just like to point out that "enticing more people to try out Diablo" means they're just money grubbing day 1 sales. Games become legendary in a Diablo-like fashion because their customization allows near-infinite playthroughs for someone with an imagination and a will to do so.

Where blizzard speaks of:
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We're not in the mindset to drop all of the game systems on you and say "Good luck, sucker!"

Hand-holding should be optional. Some people prefer it, some people aren't bothered by it, but many get very, very pissed about it. I think the word I'm looking for here is.... "Tutorial."
Edited by Ganf - 4/22/12 at 11:51am
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i'm willing to give blizzard the benefit of the doubt here. 13 levels is too little to judge a game like diablo on. until i finish the entire game once, i'll reserve judgement on just how much blizzard has changed since the pre-WoW days. diablo is one of those titles that deserve this level of respect IMO. if it indeed turns out the game sux, then i'd have to write blizzard off as an unfortunate evolution of corporate america and move on to other games like path of exile or torchlight2.
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Originally Posted by Ganf View Post

Tries. Fails. Done.
Edit: Also, Would just like to point out that "enticing more people to try out Diablo" means they're just money grubbing day 1 sales. Games become legendary in a Diablo-like fashion because their customization allows near-infinite playthroughs for someone with an imagination and a will to do so.
Where blizzard speaks of:
Quote:
We're not in the mindset to drop all of the game systems on you and say "Good luck, sucker!"
Hand-holding should be optional. Some people prefer it, some people aren't bothered by it, but many get very, very pissed about it. I think the word I'm looking for here is.... "Tutorial."


It is odd, but it seems like the best way for some people to play the game would be to buy a character pre-leveled through normal from an item shop and start out on nightmare rather than needing to play with limited options and low difficulty through normal themselves. Kind of hard to enjoy the story when the gameplay itself is stifling and tedious to you. By starting in nightmare with all your choices open, you'd have a challenge from the start and get to play through the story itself for the first time using the skills you choose.
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Are you trolling? You've been complaining about the game since yesterday !

Yeah, I'm complaining because I am disappoint ... even crushed a bit. I'm not 'trolling' at all dude. I've been exceptionally tactful, in fact.
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He never says that the character development changes.The thread the quote came from is here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4571558539?page=1
Basically this is a repeat of what Bioware came back with in response to critics of changes in Dragon Age 2: The rest of the game is going to be so awesome, you won't mind.
Repeat it along with a condescending jab about what people who don't like it must be like to discourage disagreement. Change Management 101...
When a change is actually for the better, you don't need to resort to insulting people who disagree with it to prove the point.

Well, I'm hoping what he meant is that for the beta, they decided for you 'okay you're at level 9, here's your Ray of Frost', but that in the actual game, there will be at least some modicum of options involved in the character progression. I suppose he didn't outright say that, but it could be derived from what he said without creating fallacy, could it not? He did sort-of imply that, didn't he?

I'm honestly hoping for the best here thumb.gif
    
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My monk is up to level 6... I like what I've seen from her so far.
    
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Yeah, I'm complaining because I am disappoint ... even crushed a bit. I'm not 'trolling' at all dude. I've been exceptionally tactful, in fact.
Well, I'm hoping what he meant is that for the beta, they decided for you 'okay you're at level 9, here's your Ray of Frost', but that in the actual game, there will be at least some modicum of options involved in the character progression. I suppose he didn't outright say that, but it could be derived from what he said without creating fallacy, could it not? He did sort-of imply that, didn't he?
I'm honestly hoping for the best here thumb.gif

I'd love for that to be the case as well.
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Okay, this article makes me feel a lot better about this game thumb.gif ...

BTW, it'll probably make a lot of you feel better ... wish I'd read it before I 'went off' earlier.

Heck, I wish I'd read it before I even played the Beta.

I shoulda trusted Blizzard to not totally fail on this game ... sounds like they didn't tongue.gif
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It is odd, but it seems like the best way for some people to play the game would be to buy a character pre-leveled through normal from an item shop and start out on nightmare rather than needing to play with limited options and low difficulty through normal themselves. Kind of hard to enjoy the story when the gameplay itself is stifling and tedious to you. By starting in nightmare with all your choices open, you'd have a challenge from the start and get to play through the story itself for the first time using the skills you choose.

Pay extra just to be able to enjoy the game and skip 1/3 of the way through it unintentionally?....
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Okay, this article makes me feel a lot better about this game thumb.gif ...
BTW, it'll probably make a lot of you feel better ... wish I'd read it before I 'went off' earlier.
Heck, I wish I'd read it before I even played the Beta.
I shoulda trusted Blizzard to not totally fail on this game ... sounds like they didn't tongue.gif

Good link I knew blizzard wouldnt let us down.
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the open beta was so fun!
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